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radwulf
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Mafia 6 - Welcome to Transylvania! (ENGLISH only)
Rules:
- Don't discuss the game outside the website! (Certain roles are exempt from this, but they are only allowed to talk at night.)
- You are not allowed to show anyone an email from me or another player!
- Participate! Failure to post for 2 consecutive game "days" (without announcing the absence in advance) will result in a cool deus ex machina death.
- In the subject field of your message, please write the correct post number--edit it if you made a mistake. This will greatly help the quoting.
- Editing of posts is allowed on an honor system: only edit for spelling errors & post number.
- Use of bold is mandatory (and restricted) to voting/unvoting--brunchmafia style. Use underlining or CAPS for emphasis, fingers of suspicions, screaming etc.
- Ask! If you're not sure about some rule, email me first before acting.

________________________________________________________________________________
The Living (2) :
JEEP (private investigator)
JOESATRI 2 (governor)
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The Dead (11) :
JOESATRI - townie; lynched in day 1
BEONEKNIGHT - priest; killed during night 2
DIPLOMAT A - vampire; lynched in day 2
MOLE - cop; killed in day 2
JESTERNL - mafia godfather; lynched in day 3
MUDSTER - traitorous instigator; killed in night 4
SKITTLES - townie; lynched in day 4
NAPOLEON - townie; killed in night 5
WONKO THE SANE - army deserter; lynched in day 6
007 - doctor; killed in night 8
NEO - mafia; lynched in day 8
________________________________________________________________________________

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/26/02 9:59:50 am
radwulf
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#1
To put vote/unvote in bold and to quote use the following syntax:

[b]unvote: scapegoat[/b]

[b]vote: evildude[/b]

[quote]die scum die[/quote]

radwulf
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#2
The illegal and the occult had always been a fact of life in this small village lost in the Transylvanian Alps... lately however, the evil activity in the settlement seems to have reached new, deadlier levels.

It is night! Please check your emails for your role, confirm it, and those who have to, send in your choice for tonight. Considering this is the first night, the deadline for choices is Tuesday, June 4th, 11:59pm, US Central Time. The game thread will be locked during the night.

JOESATRI is replacing CORY!

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/3/02 9:59:38 am
radwulf
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#3 It is now DAY!
At dawn, fearing the worst, the citizens gather in the town square. A quick head count reveals that their fears seem to have been unjustified: everyone is alive and well. Does that mean no evil forces threaten the town? Should the town take some preventive measures anyway?

Discuss and Vote! The person with 7 votes (or non-tied plurality at deadline) will be executed. You may NOT vote no-lynch. :) The only way you can abstain from lynching is to tie the votes of the leading candidates, or for everyone to abstain from voting.

Don't forget to number your posts, please. Thank you!

sKittLes
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#4
well, well... it seems that i'm the firs to wake up.:cascat well, wake up everybody. it's morning already, and it seems that we are all unharmed :) someone is watching over us.. :) enought sleeping dudes.. rize and shine, and smile to the sun.. but watch your step.. u are in transylvania and strange things happen arround here.. :angoasa

life sucks... and than.. u die..

Edited by: sKittLes at: 6/5/02 8:25:48 am
beoneknight
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#5
Great! We all made it through the night.... Me being a newb in online mafia, i have no idea what to do now..... So i'll let some of the more experienced players do the accusing for now....

sKittLes
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#6
it's simple boneknight.. do like this and wait to see what happens :)

I vote NEO

life sucks... and than.. u die..

Jesternl 
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Re: #7
OK, what can we learn from this?
a) We have a very good doctor
b) We have a very incompetent mafia family
c) We just got lucky.
Now don't rule out #2 I've been in games were the maf forgot to send in a target.

With 13 playing I think there's not going to be more then one famiglia, So probably three ad guys, and I don't know Radwulf well enough to guess if there's something like a serial killer in this game.
For now I'll vote: sKittLes for being eager to vote :)

(edited for typos)

[edited for post number--radwulf]

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/5/02 2:18:27 pm
jeep
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#8
vote jesternl for being anxious to vote for someone who is anxious to vote and for thinking 6+1=6. ;)

-JEEP

Jesternl 
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Re: #9
Quote:
6+1=6.

Huh? Where did I think that?

[edited for post number--radwulf]

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/5/02 2:18:59 pm
mole
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vote: jeep in an attempt to start a bandwagon congo line. :)

radwulf
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#11
If some of you find manual numbering too annoying, I'll stop asking you to use it.

Neo
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#12
Yeah I'm here, unfortunatly not for long. As I told radwulf when signing up, I shall be absent from today until June 10. No internet access until then.

And so, seeing a few friendly faces, I'll OMGUS vote sKittles

And my apologies if I didn't spell the name right.

Wonko the Sane
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#13
Quote:

a) We have a very good doctor
b) We have a very incompetent mafia family
c) We just got lucky.



Hmm, let's see.
a) The only way the doctor is "very good" is if he chose to protect someone based on information and logical analysis (otherwise he was guessing and just got lucky = option c). The only information available to all of us before the night was that one of the players is basically a Mafia legend (mole), and that several others are excellent mafia players (on top of being chess state champs and superb mathematicians). So several targets for the good old doctor...too many to choose from without guessing, really. Not only that, the target chosen had to have been non-evil and the mafia had to have chosen him as well. Unless we have 9 docs running around, this is highly unlikely.
b) This could have happened, especially given that Radwulf's message throughout the night was that he is waiting on one choice and one confirmation. The choice could very well have been the mafia's....and maybe they ended up not making the deadline. Also, it is doubtful we have a serial killer running around as well (since only one choice was outstanding in the night, it means either both mafia and serial killer voted no kill, one voted no kill and the other missed the deadline, or doctor(s) were involved. I think all 3 are unlikely, so I'm going to tentatively assume for the time being that there is no SK in the game).
c) Unless we got incredibly lucky or we have multiple docs running around, I don't buy it. I don't remember my probability lessons from way back in high school....but it seems like we would need an intersection of the following probabilities: doctor choosing a person out of 12 (1/12), the mafia choosing a non-mafia person (let's assume 3 mafia....1/9).......intersection because both these persons would have to be the same....so if I remember correctly, 1/12*1/9=1/108. Stranger things have happened, but I've never won a game of chance in my life so I don't buy it.

So, to sum up, I have used semi-Crap Logic(tm) to conclude the following:
1)There is probably no serial killer in the game.
2)Unless we have multiple doctors, the doctor was probably not involved in saving us from a kill last night.
3)I don't think we got that lucky last night. Thus,
4)Our mafia is pretty incompetent and didn't manage to kill anyone by dawn. QED.

Sorry for the verbose nature of my post, I'm just trying to get the game rolling. The more information we have, the better.

[edited to change the subject to 13]

Edited by: Wonko the Sane at: 6/5/02 7:02:09 pm
Wonko the Sane
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#14
Sorry for the newb nature of this question, but what is OMGUS?

Jesternl 
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Re: #15
OMGUS= Oh My God U Suck :D

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/6/02 12:49:16 am
jeep
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jesternl, the original post number in post 7 was 6... That is where you 'thought 6+1=6'

-JEEP

Edit: Yes, manual numbering is a hassle.

Edited by: jeep at: 6/5/02 9:47:34 pm
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I still would like to figure out the possible configurations of the game that we are currently are involved in. I somehow cannot believe that this is a "straight" up game: a doctor, cop and 3 mafia, per say.... Could there have been lets say two doctors.... one killing every other round instead of saving.... that would somewhat more explain the possibility of a 'save'. I also have a question about the way the teams would have been drawn up.... for if it is done by hand, i would assume that they would be more or less balanced, and my guess would be in this case, that the player with the greatest reputation would not be mafia, for he would be investigated by a cop relativly early on. So, in the case of it being done by hand, and there are 3 mafia, i would think there would be 2 experienced players, and 1 newb....

007
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#18
hey everybody...

well looks like we got lucky lastnight....i almost( besides wonkothesane's long post) read everything u guys posted by now and here's a thought:

the mafia in this game are pretty experienced players or could be just one amoung them good enough to influence the others not to kill anyone first night thinking of the fact that it's a small game and they should give the chance to each one of us to play a litlle bit not just die the first night after a long a "painful" signup....and by this they confused the doctor a little bit , too...hm...i don't think a newbie would think of something like this...

with this in mind... vote: mole

ofcourse there's the posibility the doctor was very inspired last night...

and one more thing: neo, what are u trying to do? skittles already had a vote.! :rolleyes

-it's not wongo...it's wonko...finaly i'll get used with all these wierd nicks- :b

________________________________________________________________________ I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. / Douglas Adams --Author, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Edited by: 007 at: 6/6/02 1:01:53 am
Diplomat A
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Hey, everyone.
First of all, the part of beoneknight's post #17 that jumped out at me was his assuming that radwulf would assign mafia roles to balance out the experience level. I was under the impression that the roles were most likely assigned randomly. Otherwise, one could assume too much about who's mafia, cop, doc, etc. And one thing radwulf is trying do, I believe, is make this game so that you couldn't assume too much based on the framework of the game. So, beoneknight, I think you may know something that others don't.

Edited by: Diplomat A at: 6/6/02 1:33:31 am
007
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#20
usualy, here, all the mods give the roles radomly...that's what i did and that's what i know radwulf did by now...so..

____________________________________________________________________________ I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. / Douglas Adams --Author, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

beoneknight
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As i said before, this is my first online mafia game. I was asking whether or not it is random.... I guess unfortunately it is randomized....

Wonko the Sane
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I like the point about the experienced member or members of the mafia choosing not to kill someone. I overlooked this as a possibility, assuming that they did so by accident. Following this line of reasoning, and trying to find out what he has to add to our speculations given his experience in the game, I will FOS mole. I wish bold wasn't restricted to votes, i feel that a FOS should stand out more.

Also, 007, you should be familiar with my nick given your sig....Wonko the Sane is a character from one of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker books (I believe he's from So Long and Thanks for All the Fish).

radwulf
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#23
I hope this will do the trick:

**** Finger of Suspicion: SUSPECT ****

FOS: minor suspect

sKittLes
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well we have some realy calculated guys arround here.. i'm glad that everybody got up, and started a new day. thanx 4 your apreciation neo :b . see u soon...

life sucks... and than.. u die..

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Re: #25
Quote:
I guess unfortunately it is randomized

I don't undefrstand why that is unfortunate Beoneknight... wouldn't you rather have the maf divided among all players?
I guess it's hard to judge people's behaviour, since you're all new to me (Or most anyway).
The maf choosing not to vote is very well thought of...
I'll stick with my vote for sKittLes, I want to get a reaction ~insert evil smilie here~

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/9/02 10:35:54 am
sKittLes
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#26
and what reaction are u hopping on jesternl? if you are not suse chose one of the following: :angoasa :aplauze :b :cascat :eek :eyeact ... or maybe this one :iubire . for now i'll stick with this :limba .

oh.. and one more thing.. i want to devote neo. i really don't have any reason to keep it.. maybe for the OMGUS that he gave me :) .

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/9/02 10:36:07 am
radwulf
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#27
Votes tally! If I made any errors, please correct me.

skittles 2 - (jesternl, neo)
jesternl 1 - (jeep)
jeep 1 - (mole)
mole 1 - (007)

7 to lynch

jeep
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Bah! This goes too slow...

unvote: Jesternl
vote: SKITTLES


So I am supposed to use bold for unvoting, I assume...

-JEEP

Edited by: jeep at: 6/8/02 12:22:09 am
sKittLes
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well this is starting to become enoying. i didnt't say a word ultil now because the game it's just started and i just wanted to make the game rollin. but this is getting stupid. i won't say a thing.. but i think u suck. i don't know how on earth is this played on GL but i'll tell u all how are we playing it here. if u vote me u must tell me why are u doing this? ha jeep? just because this is going to slow? what?? u lost all your patience?? am i the guilty one because this is going so slow?? well u better count the postings.. u can see who has the most on this game. so until u answer me u have my vote, for being in a hurry and voting without a reason.

i vote jeep

life sucks... and than.. u die..

Diplomat A
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Yeah, there are too many people who are not participating or are away. I will vote: Jesternl solely based on my instinct. I think I'm more inclined to vote for him (or for someone else) now than not vote at all. Does anyone want to say something in defense of jesternl or anyone else? Maybe a cop should come out and then ask for the protection of a doc.

007
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#31...bah..
still waiting for neo's and mole's reactions...

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007
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#32
well at least for mole's cause i just remembered neo is absent till the 10th...

________________________________________________________________________________ I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. / Douglas Adams --Author, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

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Re: #33
Well yeah, I want to make a reaction... :) you are just voting for me because you know me, and therefor I must be evil.. I say that's a typical mafia technic, and you have just earned my pinkie finger of suspicion :)
But I keep my vote at sKittLes, just to rile him/her, and hope for someone to come to her defense. like Diplomat just did.. for now that is my best (and only) sign that you are affiliated...

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/9/02 10:36:22 am
Diplomat A
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Actually, my knowing you didn't even enter my mind when I voted. The reason you seem a little suspicious to me is because of your first post. That reminded me of how a mafia member acted in another game.

Edited by: Diplomat A at: 6/9/02 8:55:05 am
beoneknight
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#35
There are a couple of posts that looked interesting to me.... Wonko's post (13) looked really funny to me, i was not really convinced of any of his points.... but anyways.... i dont see why people are voting for skittles, so for now, i will not go that route. The two players that seem sorta shady to me are jeep (for his unexplained attack at skittles) and diplomat A. I dont really see any problems with any type of logic used used by 007 or jesternl, but i might be wrong in either case.... so for now i'll vote diplomat A, just because i dont feel the suggestion that any of the cops come out at this point of the game would be usefull to the town unless they have a confirmed mafia.
So, I vote Diplomat A.


It seems to me that 4-5 players have not yet posted anything, so hearing from them would be great....

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/9/02 10:36:46 am
mole
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Umm... what kind of reaction are you looking for, exactly? I haven't seen any serious accusations come out yet, so there's nothing to comment on.

mole
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#37
So what am I meant to react to now?

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/11/02 3:10:08 am
mole
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Ah, the dread ISE follows me here... :( I didn't think that had turned up.

sKittLes
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#39
Quote:
Maybe a cop should come out and then ask for the protection of a doc

fist possible mistake i spoted in this game. only one from the mafia side will say a thing like that. a simple vilager will never say a thing like that because it has no sense at all. why would someone want to know who is a cop or a doctor unless he wanted to kill them both. so dont't fall 4 it. for that:
i unvote jeep
i vote diplomatA

life sucks... and than.. u die..

Edited by: sKittLes at: 6/10/02 3:05:07 am
joesatri
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#40
i agree with sKittLes's (post #39).
diplomatA did NOT say: maybe "someone" should do something...
he mentioned a cop and a doc.. -- mafia's nº 1 targets.
Therefore.. i vote diplomatA


:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

Edited by: joesatri at: 6/11/02 9:56:43 am
Jesternl 
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Re: #41
Very well spotted sKittLes, I missed that one....
Only the mafia would want a cop to come out this early in the game.
So at least this has lead to something more substantial then before.
Unvote: sKittLes
Vote: Diplomat A and I'll admit that there's a little OMGUS in it as well :P

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/11/02 3:10:28 am
Wonko the Sane
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There is some validity in the claim that Diplomat A's request for the cop to expose his identity is somewhat dubious. I will therefore vote Diplomat A. Furthermore, i will point a finger of suspicion at jeep for voting for skittles immediately after seeing the vote tally -- was he trying to start a bandwagon?

However, if we lynch Diplomat A and discover that he is an innocent, a heavy blanket of suspicion will fall upon beoneknight and skittles for being the first to vote for Diplomat A. They based their votes on Diplomat A's cop statement, which if he turns out to be innocent was merely a bad suggestion. What better way for the mafia to eliminate an innocent than to use his own words against him and thus start a bandwagon?

jeep
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No, I wasn't trying to start a bandwagon, I was trying to ride one. I have been attempting to try out Internet Stranger's tactic of riding early bandwagons to get more information.

unvote: skittles
vote: Diplomat A


However, the suggestion of cop revealing is not necessarily bad. Look on the GL in Star Wars Mafia II for a great example of when it is the correct play.

-JEEP

beoneknight
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This is getting dangerously close to the lynching total. I wouldn't want to lynch diplomat A before diplomat had a chance to respond. Hence, i unvote dipolmat A

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/11/02 3:20:12 am
Diplomat A
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Whoa. Didn't expect that reaction. And all that based on my little statement about a cop coming out. First of all, that was not even that much of a suggestion. I only said that to try to get the game going. I was merely seeing if other people would agree with me. Sorry I didn't make that clear. My impression was that such a request was common. I saw it at least once at the beginning of a game. That was not a slip, as some of you claim. If you guys don't think it's a good idea, fine. That's what I was trying to find out. You don't have to vote for me.

BTW, joesatri, if a cop (or someone) comes out to accuse or protect someone, it will not reveal any docs. Also, FOS to people voting for me.

Edited by: Diplomat A at: 6/11/02 3:17:45 am
Neo
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Hello all, I have returned, until the 23rd when I depart for Colorado with an ETR of the 29th.

I see that I've missed a lot less than I'd expected.

My thoughts: Diplomat's cop comment is a common mistake among newbies, however I do not know whether Diplomat is a newbie or not, for now I will assume so and give a FOS:
Diplomat A


Next, I no longer see any point in voting sKittles (not that there was much of a point to begin with) unvote sKittLes

Thirdly, I will restort to a tactic that has had some success in the past. Looking at the beginning of bandwagons for mafia is not the best place. The middle and the ends of them are where it seems they like to hide. So, using that, I will vote joesatri

beoneknight
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Check, Check and check.... I agree with all of the points made by Neo. Can't really think of anythink else to say.
I vote joesatri

Edited by: beoneknight at: 6/11/02 5:41:12 am
Wonko the Sane
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I just went over all the posts and the list of players and realized that three people have not yet posted anything. The game began 10 days ago. The three people are: CRAZY IVAN, GENERALUL, and VERTIGO.

Given our finger pointing and bandwagoning (of which I must admit I took part), maybe the mafia's just waiting for us to kill ourselves off and not posting anything? That's an exaggeration, of course, but I still don't like the idea of complete inactivity after 10 days...

Diplomat A seemed genuinely taken aback when confronted with his votes (which really doesn't mean anything), and the reason the votes began was only somewhat dubious....so I'll unvote Diplomat A to give him some breathing space.

I vote Crazy Ivan for inactivity. I leave it to others to try to wake up the other two inactives.

My FOS remains on jeep. He jumped on yet another bandwagon -- this time just as the tally was inching to 7. Given Neo's insight on mafia behavior, the end of bandwagons is a good place to look. I realize, of course, that I was also in the middle/end of that bandwagon...

Cheers

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First...

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BTW, joesatri, if a cop (or someone) comes out to accuse or protect someone, it will not reveal any docs. Also, FOS to people voting for me.


DiplomatA, i did not say that the docs will be revealed. All i was pointing @ was your interest in these 2 types or characters.

Second:
Neo, i think you should take a look at the statements that were bosted before my post. You should agree with me that there wasn't too much to comment on..
Therefore, i didn't post anything until i found something "posting-worthy"..(post #39, by skittles).
Now.. DiplomatA kinda came out pretty clean.. (for some of you..)
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I only said that to try to get the game going

.. if that was a slip or not.. we can't be sure...
what we can be sure of is that if he were a mafia, he would come up with the exact same arguments.
So.. for now, I'll stick with my vote.



:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

Edited by: joesatri at: 6/11/02 10:27:37 am
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However, if we lynch Diplomat A and discover that he is an innocent, a heavy blanket of suspicion will fall upon beoneknight and skittles for being the first to vote for Diplomat A

this was in post 42 of wonko's the sane...
next: neo's 46
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I will restort to a tactic that has had some success in the past. Looking at the beginning of bandwagons for mafia is not the best place. The middle and the ends of them are where it seems they like to hide

and than go to 48 (wonko the sane)
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I realize, of course, that I was also in the middle/end of that bandwagon...


well now explain it to me... what's with the "heavy blanket of suspicion" on me and beoneknight?? if i remember i was between the first to underline a possible mistake of diplomatA. while u addmit that u where in a middle/end of bandwagon. counting on the fact that u unvoted diplomatA and u are trying to get our attention away of him/her pointing to inactive players, could mean that u are in the same team with diplomatA. this makes u the second one in my list of suspicion.. for that i'll give u a : figer of suspicion for wonko the sane
diplomatA u dindn't yet convinced me that you are not guilty.. i'll keep my vote.. for a little presure..

life sucks... and than.. u die..

Edited by: sKittLes at: 6/11/02 10:33:55 am
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Although I must state that this is my first game of mafia and I'm learning as I go along -- I will not hide behind that fact.

I stand behind what I said about skittles being suspicious if Diplomat A proved to be innocent (beoneknight cleared himself by preventing an almost inevitable lynching at the last second). Perhaps I was not clear enough when I stated that my suspicion is based on his initiation of the bandwagon. My suspicion has nothing to do with his position in the bandwagon bongo line per se (thanks mole for the bongo line metaphor) -- it has everything to do with the fact that he immediately jumped at Diplomat A's throat (and was among the first to do so) in reaction to a statement of his that (if he is in fact innocent) was nothing but an innocent suggestion. My point was that the reaction was perhaps a bit out of proportion with the alleged "slip" -- out of proportion, but not illogical. I did believe in it's logic, so I voted for D.A. The lack of proportion would only come into play if D.A. turned out to be innocent -- and it would cast suspicion onto skittles. All this speculation was weakened by beoneknight's unvote -- I believed skittles and beoneknight were linked. But perhaps his unvote was in reaction to my "blanket of suspicion." In that case I was correct to be suspicious.

As to the possibility of D.A. and I existing in an evil conspiracy, it verges on the absurd. My vote for him came too late to be a harmless attempt at disassociation (I believe I was the 5th vote....that would be too close to lynching to be harmless). On the other hand, my vote came too early to be an attempt at disassociation in the face of an inevitable lynching (the lynching was not inevitable with 5 votes...however, the sixth vote could be such an attempt, and thus my suspicion of jeep).

The reason I turned to the inactives is that after unvoting D.A., I really had nothing to go on. So I went over all the posts and realized those three hadn't spoken yet.

I apologize for the length of this post, but I was forced to spell out what already existed between the lines of my previous two posts. Descriptions of what goes on in one's mind tend to get lengthy.

Cheers.

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The game is pretty active, but this day must come to an end... voting deadline: 48 hrs from this post!

7 to lynch

diplomat a 4 - (skittles, joesatri, jesternl, jeep)
joesatri 2 - (neo, beoneknight)
crazy ivan 1 - (wonko the sane)
jeep 1 - (mole)
mole 1 - (007)

Please let me know if there are any counting errors.

Diplomat A
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First of all, I'm glad Wonko has brought some sense into the game. Second, skittles, joesatri, jesternl, and jeep, at least one of you guys are going to have to change your vote. We have three people, Crazy Ivan, Generalul, and Vertigo, who are apparently not going to vote. That means we have 6 people who are active and not voting for me.

You really don't have much against me, and you know it. I will Unvote: jesternl (radwulf, you missed that one) and Vote: joesatri because I agree with Neo's argument. There are 3 people in this game who seem most suspicious to me and joesatri is one of them.

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What happens if the 3 inactives do not speak up before the deadline? I know that the rules mention an autodeath after 2 in game days of inactivity, but 2 game days of inactivity is a very long time. What if 2 or 3 mafiosos took advantage of this rule and kept absolutely silent for a day, then came back with reasons excusing their absence? They could have 2 free kills by then (the first night and the second night).

007
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well..well..

i overlooked the posts again and it looks like i have something to go on...

first of all my thinking is that DIPLOMAT's ideea it wasn't a slip of a gangmember...that wasn't a carefull sugestion and that's the fact that makes me think he's not mafia...i think he would have been a lot more carefull posting if he was mafia considering also the fact that we just started the game...i think it's way too early for a mafia to came up with such a courageos and controversial ideea...i agree that wasn't the brightest ideea but what i'm saying i don't belive it was the mistake of a mafia member..

k...thinking of this it's interesting who voted for diplomat A...first: beonenight...than: skitlles...after that : jesternl and then: jeep
...and again to my ideea that among the mafia is at least one experienced player..in this bandwagon i suspect two to be mafia.the more experienced ones:..jesternl and jeep...u guys played mafia before and u should know ( actually i think u DO KNOW) that a gangmember is much more cautious and usualy doesn't do such mistakes...but as i said i think u know that very well but as mafia u wanted to take advantage of...
the one i suspect more is JESTERNL! ...the bigger is the banwagon u join the riskyer is that u're gonna look suspicious...but joining a bandwagon of two i think is a good call from an EXPERIENCED GANGMEMBER!...he didn't say much , ofcourse, he voted quickly..that was the most important thing.. :rolleyes

hm...yeah..that's what i'm gonna do: VOTE: JESTERNL

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Edited by: 007 at: 6/13/02 2:23:29 am
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ofcourse meaning that i unvoted: mole for now...

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Edited by: 007 at: 6/12/02 3:04:55 am
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MUDSTER is replacing CRAZY IVAN!

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Re: #58
Hmmm so because I agreed with sKittLes about Diplomat making a slip and voted for him I an mafia? OK, I can't argue the fact that I am a somewhat experienced mafia player. I have done maybe 40 to 50 games... And what has all that experience taught me? That mafia members are just as likely, maybe even more, to make mistakes. Even more I say, because it is very hard to keep thinking like a townie. For townies that is very easy.. you get accused, you get upset, cause you know it's not true. But it's hard to do that when you are mafia, because you know you are attacked and they are right.

Now the second most common mistake mafia make, and that is one that less experienced mafia members make more often, is to rush to the aid of a fellow mafia under attack, and try to divert the bandwagon.
That is what you just did 007! You just earned *** my entire arm of susopicion***

But I stick wth my vote for Diplomat A


--- edited 4 number of posting ---

GRTZ,
Jester

H ha, very funny Scotty.. Now beam back my clothes

Edited by: sKittLes at: 6/13/02 2:30:40 am
Mudster
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59.... jesternl change your post count :D
Ho all.

Ok... from the looks of it, I think 007 has an important point there with the veteran player thingie. but however, if what you said is correct, then, most of the other veteran players (I am somewhat included) are also
suspicious. That practically narrows down the list of potential bad guys to half the players. Bad move.

Even *if* jesternl is a mafia member, he does not earn my vote as of yet as there is no conclusive proof.

Now, now, I'm not defending jesternl at all. In fact i think that he does have some mafia symptoms. It could be because he's trying to pass this game alive. And sometimes veteran players have seen many things that shows in their style of play.

I also think that one of these guys is definitely mafia because since it's early game, people don't really get eyed upon with the first bandwagon or lynching.

Now if I were mafia (not that i am) I would think that it would be a rather too early to use the mafia-kill-mafia strat. So I assume that jesternl and 007 are not working with or for each other. Either that they don't know each other. Or perhaps one of them is trying to get the attention of the mafia clan and got into the eye of another player. maybe a role like the traitor, instigator, spy or other town-stabbing roles.

With that gone. I would put the FOS on Jesternl while a Vote on 007. Jesternl is right with his point that inexperienced players do tend to rescue fellow mafias.

Sorry for a long explanation.

Diplomat A
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Jesternl, I agree with what you say your experience has taught you, about mafia-thinking and what mistakes they make. But I also would like to add, from my limited experience, that mafia often keep pressing on someone who has made a questionable remark early in the game. They claim that that person is certainly mafia (they know he's not), while to the townies it is not so certain. Why do you still keep your vote on me?

You're not going to get enough votes to lynch me today. But I have to say, you mafia have really exposed yourselves this early in the game.

And Wonko, I wouldn't worry about the inactive people. I doubt Vertigo and Generalul are experienced enough to use the strategy of staying silent. And if they're mafia, they wouldn't be threatening to the town because they're inactive and won't kill anyone.

Diplomat A
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Oh, yes, I forgot. FOS: Jesternl.

Wonko the Sane
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Looks like I have to change my vote -- Crazy Ivan is here no longer. With the deadline so close I see no point in voting for the other two inactives -- they're obviously not playing the game.

Acting on my strongest suspicions, I vote jeep.

My sweeping gesture of suspicion now falls on Diplomat A and 007.


edited post number.

Edited by: Wonko the Sane at: 6/12/02 10:17:54 pm
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well.. i'm confused enought for one day. i'm to tired to think at this hour 3:31am. sa i just want to unvote diplomatA. u are still on my suspects list. for now i had enought. i'll wait f the next day and see what is to be done then. c-ya arround... i hope..

life sucks... and than.. u die..

007
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well..jesternl u did not convinced me at all that u're innocent...

Quote:
That mafia members are just as likely,
maybe even more, to make mistakes. Even more I say, because it is very hard to keep thinking like a
townie.
...jerternl

yes, i agree that mafia makes mistakes but not like this...asking for a cop to reveal him self...and in the very begining of the game! why would he expose himself in this maner? don't u think this is pretty stupid?...i said it and i'm saying it again: i don't think diplomat's ideea makes him mafia...and i belive u mafiaguys wanted to speculate this and voted for him...u guys who voted fo diplomat so quickly based on almost nothing, look a lot more suspicious and guilty for me than diplomat himself is...he might be mafia, don't know but i'm not gonna vote for him based on a silly argument...

Quote:
Now the second most common mistake mafia make, and that is one that less experienced mafia
members make more often, is to rush to the aid of a fellow mafia under attack, and try to divert the
bandwagon.
That is what you just did 007!


yeah, i defended diplomat! so what? so u're saying that doing that means that i'm mafia?..oh...that's so lamentable , jesternl...
accusing me back! interesting...so u can't prove your point that diplomat's guilty and u resort to another mafia tactics?strike back!...well, u kind of confirmed my suspicion that u're a " bad guy"(mafia)!...confirm my vote:jesternl..and don't worry i'm not that naive and simple-minded as u thought of me!

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Being 1 day away from deadline, i'll make this short: I'd like to see either jeep or joesatri lynched. I dont care which one, whoever is closer to getting kicked, i'll go with that one...

Jesternl 
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OK, I guess you are right 007, and Diplomat. I jumped on Diplomat saying something that can asily be explained otherwise as well.. I guess I'm just twitchy from playing on the GL too long (I got butchered while Iwas maf when I made a slip like that)
It's the only thing I had that was suspicious, so now I'm equally out of leds as you are.
Unvote: Diplomat A (But with a little FOS remaining on him though, I want to be able to say "I told you so" :P

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/13/02 10:11:40 am
joesatri
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i too agree that a mistake from a mafia would NOT happen that early in the game.. i sounds pretty stupid indeed.. funny how i felt fort that..
unvote DiplomatA -
.. even though..
.... i think it's pretty "weird" how NEO came out of nowhere.. and accused me, .. for agreeing with a post..
As if that wasn't weird enough.. beoneknight jumpt to help him..
.. and DiplomatA too.. . which brings them to thinking that.. there's some sort of a connection between them..
So.. i'm gonna go ahead and vote DiplomatA again..
vote DiplomatA

that's it.. see u all tomorrow..

P.S. if i die during the night.. u'll know who the mafia is..


:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

Neo
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Quote:
i think it's pretty "weird" how NEO came out of nowhere.. and accused me, .. for agreeing with a post..



--joesatri

Came out of nowhere? I'd announced my absence when day started, I'd told radwulf about it before I even signed up. I got home, got caught up and voted using what little logic available at this point in time.

Granted, there have been some suspicions thrown around at Jesternl and Diplomat, and I even considered changing my vote, but your latest post where you twist the facts to make me look bad has forced me to leave my vote on you.

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7 to lynch; 2 hrs before the deadline

joesatri 3 - (neo, beoneknight, diplomat a)
diplomat a 2 - (joesatri, jeep)
jeep 2 - (mole, wonko the sane)
jesternl 1 - (007)
007 1 - (mudster)

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The strongest lynching group formed among the villagers takes Joesatri to the Hangedman's Forrest, and manage to do what the evil forces of the night haven't done yet: they kill a townie!

Joesatri, townie, has been lynched by the town. It is now night, and the topic will be closed. You have 72 hrs from this moment to send your choices.

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- Forgive them Father, and have mercy on their souls! are Rev. Beoneknight last words before he is decapitated by a scythe.

Investigating the house and belongings of the dead priest, the villagers realize Rev. Beoneknight was privately trying to find and root out the evil presence among them.


Beoneknight, priest, has been killed. It is now DAY! Majority (6 votes) or plurality at deadline is required for lynching.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/16/02 8:02:07 am
Diplomat A
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Okay, I know what this looks like. I voted for Joesatri and he turned out to be innocent. Plus, I already look very suspicious as it is. However, beoneknight voted for joesatri as well.

But consider this. I think Jesternl used post #7 to divert attention from himself. Of course, anyone who analyzes the night's events cannot be mafia. But I've seen mafia do that. Then jeep voted for Jesternl, but, he unvoted him the first chance he got. That made him look innocent. So I think they both may be mafia. What do you guys think of that possibility?

Mudster
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Good morning everyone.
[lazy to think]
Looks like we've lost an important member of the town today. Does anybody apart from Diplomat A have any ideas?
[/lazy to think]

"A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire
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jeep
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Well, the only reason I unvoted jesternl was because the bandwagon went another direction. As I've said, I am taking a page from Internet stranger's book, trying to get the game going! This is sooo slow.

-JEEP

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Well Jeep, and Diplomat, if you have something, spuit it out.. if you're cops you will already know I am innocent, and if you are not, you are just trying to get rid if me.
For now you both have a FOS..... and I am morethasn willing to hang a mafia scum from a tree....

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/19/02 4:09:21 am
Neo
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Not sure who to vote for really, beoneknight, jesternl, and Diplomat are my top suspects.

A question thats been bothering me, the priest was the cop? Is this the standard cop role on this board? I'm not sure I quite understand.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/19/02 4:09:37 am
Diplomat A
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Jesternl, why do you think jeep and I would know something? I haven't voted for you, just proposed an idea. And it doesn't seem there's much agreement to it anyway. I think you're being jumpy (too jumpy?).

Neo, beoneknight is dead. He was the priest. And yes, he did have an investigative role. (I missed that the first time I read it.) I don't know if that's the standard role. Radwulf also mentioned that he was killed by a scythe. I'm wondering if it means he was killed by a serial killer. BTW, why do you think jesternl looks suspicious?

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/19/02 4:09:59 am
Neo
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Call it Instinct(tm). I can't exactly put my finger on it, I'm in a couple of other games with him, and he just seems to stand out more here. Right now I'm not sure if it is because of the smaller amount of players, or if something he said has set off my gut and the rest of me just hasn't seen it yet. I was looking at his voting pattern, style, whatever you wanna call it when this came to me, so I'll take another look at that, compare to some notes I have, other games he is in, etc.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/19/02 4:10:15 am
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well, well....

seeing the night results first thing i did was looking over and reading all the posts that our priest, beonenight have written....and i was kind of disapointed: :( ....he did't leave us any useful info being e priest with investigative powers, as i understand!....he voted for diplomat A , without having a good reason...and then unfortunately(i'll explain why :unfortunately) he changed his for joesatri, who as we know was innocent!
if he wouldn't have done that...unvote diplomat and vote an innocent person and stick with his first vote till the end i would think he knows something about diplomat...but in this case it looks like our priest was more confused that a regular townie would be!...so, that's why i said "unfortunately"...we would have had a clue at least...but in this case we don't have nothing from him...looks like he investigated an innocent person the first night...

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/19/02 4:10:30 am
jeep
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Quote:
Well Jeep, and Diplomat, if you have something, spuit it out.. if you're cops you will already know I am innocent, and if you are not, you are just trying to get rid if me.


Umm.. and how would we know that? Do you think we'd investigate you immediately? I think I will vote: jesernl for having such an ego.

I haven't noticed mole posting much... did I just miss it? Any suggestions mole?

All you other silent folks, please post! Make this game fun and participate!

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/19/02 4:10:42 am
Jesternl 
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Quote:
I think you're being jumpy (too jumpy?).

Nahh it's just that I get killed way too often lately, so tht's why I react a little morte strongly now.
I agree with everyone saying that there should be more talk, we don't have enough vocal players to really pick up on something.

Neo, I don't really have a particular voting style I think, so good luck going through all the games I've played searching for a pattern, I play them as they come :)

Jeep, I don't think it's too unreasonable to suspect that the players that are unknown to this board get searched first, and with twonights, and probably two cops/investigators, there's a good chance I have been checked before.

And another thing that Diplomat noticed...Beoneknight was killed by a scythe.. that hardly seems like a mafia way to kill someone, much more a SerialKiller thing, don't you think?
But if that is the case, what happened with the mafia? And also, the first night there was no kill at all.
The docter could've been lucky twice in a row, but that would be pretty coincidental. That a serial killer strikes only every other night I've seen before, but I am a little puzzzled by the lack of kills. I hope I learn more the next night.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/19/02 4:08:52 am
Diplomat A
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82 (the actual post #)
I have another idea. When we had Crazy Ivan, there were no nightly kills. But after he was replaced by Mudster, we got one kill. You see what I'm saying? ;)

I'd also like to hear from mole, Mudster, and Skittles. Any comments or ideas are welcome. BTW, I just checked the sign-up thread and Wonko said he was going to be away until the 22nd.

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Our first day of activity was too long, I fear -- with so many votes and unvotes and suspicions made by each player, it is very difficult to analyze the events of the night.

Beoneknight's last post listed joesatri and jeep as his top suspects. His suspicions were, of course, pure speculation -- as we now see he voted poorly. But my speculations also led me to suspect, and then vote for, jeep. So I am going to vote jeep once again.

FOS mole and Diplomat A. It would be nice to see mole become a more active player.

--edited for post number change (thanks diplomat a).
--also, post scriptum to diplomat's post, i will be away in july and not june.

Edited by: Wonko the Sane at: 6/19/02 1:37:39 am
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Wonko, why do you suspect me? If you are going to vote me, at least tell me why.

If it's because I'm bored with the pace of this game (it's much slower than the other games I'm in). At least give me something to which I can respond.

-JEEP

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mole is typically a silent player. Not much to add at this point.

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NAPOLEON is replacing VERTIGO.

GENERALUL has been absent in the last week; I expect him to start posting soon.

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Isn't anyone going to post something? I'm going to vote: Generalul. If he doesn't participate today, he'll die automatically anyway.

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~!@#88#@!~
[self explanation]I'm a nonvoter. That's my style. I only vote when there's hard pressed evidence (even then I'm skeptical) or when I need to move the game along. Either that I am mafia I guess. But even then, I usually avoid bandwagons.[/self explanation]

[joke]I am the serial dancer. Each night I dance badly infront of a person and that person will tell me whatever s/he knows. [/joke]

Uh... I have no idea whom to vote for... I'm just your standard regular townie with NO special abilities. Anybody who wants to check me can do so.

*dances*

Now who do we lynch?

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jeep my friend!! [a phrase often used on the island of cyprus...it often means everything but the literal].

well, all my reasons are explained in my previous posts. none of my reasons were drastic and new. and even before my previous posts, nothing drastic happened to make me suspect you -- rather it was a cumulative effect of several minor events that put increasing amounts of fingers of suspicion on you.......after several of my fingers were thus spent I voted for you.

cheers.

ps. if anyone tries to read into this to find stylistic differences or even logical ones from my previous posts, the explanation i offer is that i've had a few drinks. why do i post after drinking? well, read some fantasy -- you'll see that often men talk in the castle kitchen (or worse, the inn) after having a few drinks. drink can make a man honest, or it can make him err. i feel this way i play the game more reastically (if any of you have ever MUSHed or MUDed, the word is more in character).

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VOTE COUNT

jesternl 1 - (jeep)
jeep 1 - (wonko the sane)
generalul 1 - (diplomat)

Voting Deadline: 2:00pm Sunday, June 23rd, US Central Time (GMT -6)

Jesternl 
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Re: #91
I agree with Diplomat A that the non active players shouldd go first.
Vote: Generalul

[off-topic] can anyone tell me what the last part of his name means in Romanin? Lul is in Dutch a slangword for penis :) I can't help but grin everytime I see his name, call me imature :)

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/20/02 9:16:50 pm
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#92. Hello Everybody.
[a little offtopic]
About Jester's 58: 007 just won RoMaf1 as mafia! He did not come to my rescue... :P
[/alot]
I don't know 'bout you all but this game was SMALL when it started. Anyone wants three maf families of 3 members each plus two SK's??? Another recollection info: THAT RoMaf1 game was again ~12ish @ start, and it had me plus somebody else as maf, one more baddie - a maf-spy-retired, plus some good roles - cop, RetiredCop, ArmyVeteran, doc, governor.

Now for the game: the only info i can manage to squeeze out of these pages is beone's death. Who'd do that? Perhaps maf targeted him 1st night too? Perhaps reaction to voting for DipA? Very shallow IMO.

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:32:04 am
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Quote:
Isn't anyone going to post something? I'm going to vote: Generalul. If he
doesn't participate today, he'll die automatically anyway.
...diplomat A

well, i really don't get man...why do u still vote for him if he's gonna die anyways?!...hm...u're acting weird and suspicious...u're making little mistakes that can mean a lot!if u're make these mistakes unintentionally..in the future please be more careful of what u say cause it can cost the town a lot, but if u're doing this with a purpose ...i hope u'll die soon , scum!...but for now i'll leave u alone cause my fisrt suspect is not u:

Quote:
I agree with Diplomat A that the non active players should go first.
Vote: Generalul
...jesternl

dude, not just that u're an experienced player and u should have noticed his mistake and say something but u're following him and u start a bandwagon , again, based on a silly reason!...u guys(more like one of u) want to misslead us and make us vote for generalul( who's going to die anywas if he doesn't say anything- as u noticed, too!!!) and doing this we gonna miss the chance today to vote for a real gangmember! somehow this looks "mafia-acting" to me!....from my experience picking on silent people it's a very used mafia tactics...it's one of the few raesons that mafia can come up with for voting inocent people, and often they are sucessful...i was mafia and did this and i know how it is...

now, i don't think u're BOTH mafia! u and diplomat! i think one of u is and the othe one is not!
i tend to belive that two gangmembers from the same team would not expose them selves in this maner being the very fisrt ones trying to start a bandvagon like this...based on a really stupid, after all, argument!...it's so obvious that something is not right in "this picture"..my opinion is that one of u was naive and the other one is MAFIA!...and i strongly belive the mafiaguy it's u JESTERNL! u looked very suspicious "yesterday" by what u did and said that's what i voted for u and now u're starting to convinge me more and more that u're "dirty"!
vote: jesternl

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Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:32:30 am
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Quote:
well, i really don't get man...why do u still vote for him if he's gonna die anyways?!...hm...u're


It's simple, 007. In this game, the person with the most votes is going to die at the end of the day, whether he has 7 votes or 1 vote. I don't agree with that. We can't vote "No Lynch". And since Generalul is probably going to die anyway, voting for him is like voting for a no-lynch. I would have voted no-lynch if I could. There is obviously no serious evidence against the mafia in this game and no one is agreeing with anyone else's arguments enough to create a bandwagon. I should have explained that in my previous post.

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NOTE: I will be camping all of next week. That means no computer.

For various reasons already pointed out, I think Jesternl and Diplomat are full of crap.

My indecision comes in who to vote for. I'm wary of jesternl, I don't understand his style, it's.....vague.

OTOH, Diplomat's "Lets lynch him since he's silent and will die anyways" argument could go two ways, he could be a townie (the easiest role to claim) trying to lessen the losses for the town and trying to buy some time, a theory I highly doubt since for the most part Townies are sheep, they follow the crowd, however there are exceptions. The other theory is that he's mafiascum looking for a quick lynch to deny the town information. It's the latter that I find to be much more possible. So until some better evidence comes along, I shall vote Diplomat A

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welll . i don't know.. but this is going way to slow... and there is no action at all.. well.. i suppose i'm in a quiet town or something.. a read all postings and i'm comming back to my original suspect: diplomatA. for some reasons u manages to escape on first day.. even if u did in my oppinion a big mistake.. now we are on the sencond day and u are still acting suspicious in my eyes. well i'm sorry if i'm wrong but today i wont take my vote back unless a very good reason makes me do it. so:
a vote 4 diplomatA

life sucks... and than.. u die..

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Whoa....Diplomat A just said he is pretty much voting no lynch today! I really don't see how that can help the town -- two townies are already dead, we don't need to serve up another on a platter to the mafia without trying to take out a mafia in return.

Of course, lynching a townie today could have dire consequences, so maybe...just maybe if we had nothing to go on and no one acting suspiciously a no-lynch vote could somehow be justifiable (although I'm not convinced). However, we do have some suspicious characters. Specifically Mr. Diplomat A for the above proposition (and remember he's done other things that were suspicious in the past). So without any further ado, I unvote jeep and vote for Diplomat A.

FOS on jesternl (I am not too convinced of 007's suggestion that only one of the two (jester and diplomat) is mafia...perhaps they both are). Pinky of suspicion on jeep.

-edited for spelling.

Edited by: Wonko the Sane at: 6/20/02 10:42:45 pm
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diplomat wrote:
Quote:
t's simple, 007. In this game, the person with the most votes is going to die at the end of the
day, whether he has 7 votes or 1 vote. I don't agree with that. We can't vote "No Lynch". And
since Generalul is probably going to die anyway, voting for him is like voting for a no-lynch. I
would have voted no-lynch if I could. There is obviously no serious evidence against the mafia
in this game and no one is agreeing with anyone else's arguments enough to create a
bandwagon. I should have explained that in my previous post.


who told u that u can't vote "no lynch"? there's no such thing....and even if it was why would u do that now? u're either to lazy( or to say it nicer: "not in the mood") to think of a good reason to vote for somebody or u're a mafia scum...! don't tell after a day of discussions and a night with a kill u don't have anything to reason on...!
i'll stick with my vote on JESTERNL!

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hey SKITTLES, what do u say about JESTERNL?! it looks like u're avoiding talking about him...and acusing him! i noticed that u did that the first day and u're doing that now! from what happened lately he looks like a good suspect, too!
why are u voting for diplomat and not for JESTERNL?! i'm just curios ...u voted for diplomat and u didn't say a word about jesternl....?!...hm...interesting...

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Diplomat A
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*sigh*
I kind of doubted it at first, but now I see that you guys (the town) are screwed.

First of all, Neo, you should know that in the Old West Mafia game you're hosting, I voted No-Lynch the first day and I turned out to be right, while the others voted for Cadmium, I believe, and successfully lynched a townie. (I was also a townie). That was a perfect day to vote No-Lynch, IMO, and so is this one in this game. If Generalul says something, whatever that may be, I will immediately withdraw my vote. Otherwise, this is as close as you can come to voting no-lynch.

Skittles, you're just following the bandwagon without giving any good reason for voting me. And you just don't have any.

Wonko, while voting for no-lynch does not help the town, it doesn't hurt it. That's the point. But voting for me WILL hurt the town. Take a look at Mafia 47 on GL. They are voting No-Lynch for several days in a row now. And voting for me will not reduce the chances of there being a killing tonight. Even if I am mafia, it does not guarantee that the town will win any sooner. Mafia can still kill whether there is 11 of them or 1.

007, radwulf told me you can't vote no-lynch. I think it might be in the sign-up thread somewhere also. I don't know why he didn't include it in the rules here. But what bothers me is that if there is only a single vote on one particular day, the person who got voted will be lynched. That's what I thought was about to happen here. And I'm not as convinced about who's mafia as I was before, so voting for Generalul is the most harmless thing I can do.

But anyway, if you really want to lynch me, go ahead. Please. I hope it will teach the town a valuable lesson. It's not very fun playing when the whole town suspects you, anyway. So I shall UNVOTE: Generalul and VOTE: Diplomat since you guys are so convinced he's mafia.

Diplomat A
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#101
I just noticed something strange. On the bottom of Jesternl's post #58 it states "Edited by: sKittLes at: 6/13/02 2:30:40 am". Are you two using the same computer or something?

Neo
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Diplomat, also in Old West, I made a mistake in tabulating the votes and a lynch that should never have happened did in deed happen.

Also I would appreciate it if you did not speak of games in progress. IMHO it's kind of poor taste.

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Diplomat A, in this game, no lynch is not the best option. Even lynching townies gives us info for our investigators, etc.

I will vote: Diplomat for acting 'oddly.'

Wonko, I don't think I've done anythign that should make myself look suspicious, but oh well...

-JEEP

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#104
Vote Count, 6 to lynch!

diplomat 5 - (neo, skittles, wonko the sane, diplomat a, jeep)
jesternl 1 - (007)
generalul 1 - (jesternl)

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#105
JOESATRI is replacing GENERALUL!

Diplomat A
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#106
Who wants to make the deciding vote? Mudster? Joesatri?

I can almost hear the "Oops". :)

Edited by: Diplomat A at: 6/21/02 9:47:19 am
Jesternl 
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Re: #107
I don't know why sKittLes shows up under my post, unless (s)he has administrative abilities.
We're not on the same computer.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/21/02 10:37:45 am
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Re: #108
Diplomat A, since you wanna be lynched, i'm gonna help you, so there:
vote Diplomat A

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/21/02 12:33:41 pm
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#109
The town grabs Diplomat A, and off they go to the hanging place; there, they repeatedly try to hang Diplomat A, but fail. In Transylvania they have perfected several methods for dealing with people that just won't die... so the townies drive a sharpened stake through Diplomat A's heart, then burn him, and scatter his ashes in the wind.

Well, they got rid of a vampire, does that mean they'll have anything resembling a peaceful existence from now on? Of course not! Cut to Mole's house, where a man in a black hood, holding a scythe :coasa , approaches the police officer:
- Mr. Ryoushi, you should have thought twice before deciding to cheat us.
- Er, is there anything I can say now that will make you change your mind about killing me?
- No, not really!
Officer Mole's head bites the dust shortly after.


DIPLOMAT A (vampire) and MOLE (policeman) have died. Thread is closed for the night, please send in your targets, no later than Monday, June 21st, 4:00am, US Central (GMT -6) -- I'll be out of town until then.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/21/02 12:32:34 pm
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#110

Sorry Raul, i just HAD to test my mod powers! ;)

Jester, the '-ul' is a suffix for the definite article - 'the'.

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#111
At dawn, still upset by officer Mole's shocking death, the citizens of our tormented little village gather again in the public square, expecting the worst. They regain some hope when they realize that their dwindling number has not suffered a new toll last night. They're all still here, alive and well.

Nobody has been killed tonight! 5 votes or plurality at deadline to lynch.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/24/02 11:25:23 pm
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So did mole die at the hands of the mod for failure to post? I kind of thought that type of death would happen first thing in the morning.

Anyone have any ideas?

-JEEP

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I don't think that could have been it, because a mod death happens after two days of inactivity....mole had a few posts the first day, none on the second, and was killed before the third began. Also, the method of the death seems similar to the one which claimed beoneknight. And they both look like this game's version of mafia deaths (also notice the mention of cheating 'us' as mole is being killed). So, a mafia kill by day? I am thouroughly confused.....

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(114) Re: 113
So am I.. I wondered what the meaning of that cheating bit was. Maybe Mole was a traitor or something?
And there also wasn't a serial kill.. I follow Wonko's comment
I am thouroughly confused



PS Yes there is a group of us with mod powers here like it was in the GL. I edited this for a spelling error in the "And" and to correct the # in the subj line.

Edited by: Napoleon at: 6/25/02 4:12:42 pm
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I will be out of town until the 1st of July. I will also be without an internet connection from the 3rd of July until the 5th or so. And to remind everyone, after the 8th my internet access will be irregular because I'll be in a small town in Poland, although I will try to check out the game posts every other day or so.

So basically, if I'm not a very frequent poster from now on don't hold it against me.

Cheers

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Well, it doesn't look like too many people are posting, so I will roll my totally random dice and vote:Generalul/Joesatri

GRTZ,
Jester

H ha, very funny Scotty.. Now beam back my clothes

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Re: 117
Quote:

Well, it doesn't look like too many people are posting, so I will roll my totally random dice and vote:Generalul/Joesatri



OMGYDS !!!
...
..... as in.. Oh My God Your Dice SUCKS!


:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

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Joe,

I'm really more than willing to vote for someone else, I just want the people here to talk a little more...
If the entire town is silent, it's hard to get clues as to who is maf or not.
so Unvote: Joesatri, Vote: Neo

Come one people, I'm not trying to jump on everyone, but a little conversation can't hurt.
Why does no one even wonder what has happened tonight?

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/28/02 6:05:05 am
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#119
Deadline for voting is: Saturday, June 27th, 11:59pm US Central (GMT - 6).

Vote count, 5 to lynch or plurality at deadline!

Neo 1 <- (Jesternl)

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/28/02 6:16:00 am
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#120
I'm confused. I don't know what happened and I don't have a clue. However, a lynching based on the previous days' conversation should be in order. I suggest we lynch either Jesternl, Neo or Joesatri.

The one most suspicious now is Jesternl. Vote Jesternl

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Quote:
However, a lynching based on the previous days' conversation should be in order

What do you mean Mudster? and will you please tell me why being the only one who actually talks and does something makes me suspect?
I'm not voting because I have foud sommethnig about those people, I only want to get a reaction.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/28/02 3:25:11 pm
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#122
this is an answer to post #99.
i'm not hiding from jesternl, 007. i was just preocupied with diplomat and not looking at jesternl. but after u triggered that alarm signal i looked a little bit on him, too. indeed he looked suspicious too. i can't remember why now, but i remember that i wanted to vote him but i didn't have the opportunity.. the topik was loked. so now, i want to review that and do it. so:

i vote jesternl

and this isn't for being the only one speaking.. i just see u like a suspect.
i'll be gone until monday.. so, tay tay...

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/28/02 3:25:23 pm
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Re: #123
Well well well... It seems I got me a genuine bandwagon...
I am talkative just so other people will say something, and what do they say? Jesternl is acting suspicious.
Get off of it..
With all the cops priests and other investigative roles falling like flies it is not wise to lynch me, you are running out of good guys here...
Nobody wondered why there was no kill last night????
I guess hinting does not work. I am prof Van Helsing, the doctor. Not only can I protect someone at night, also if I get attacked by a vampire I will "heal" him/her
Last night I protected Wonko the Sane.

And sKittLes has been voting for me almost constatly it seems, and I don't trust that.. it's a gut feeling.
Unvote: Neo, vote: sKittLes

GRTZ,
Jester

H ha, very funny Scotty.. Now beam back my clothes

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/30/02 4:24:05 am
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Hmm... revealing you're a doc (probably THE doc) with only 2 votes seems very odd to me. And claiming a super-doc role, too.

I'm really am not convinced. vote: jesternl

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/30/02 4:24:17 am
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#125
hm...let's try this: vote: jeep

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Edited by: radwulf at: 6/30/02 4:24:32 am
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Hmm...Quite interesting, I announce that I will be gone for a week, and am voted for because of my silence? Did I interpret that correctly?

Now I would immediatly vote Jesternl for this, but he claimed a doctor's role, which means I have to think a while before I jump to a conclusion, lynching the Doctor at this stage would be really bad, on the other hand, short of a cop or something investigating him and coming out, we have no way to know for sure whether or not he is lying. If I were the cop I wouldn't come out unless I'd found two or more mafia (I'm assuming there are 3, a somewhat standard for a 12 person game).

I haven't seen enough of radwulf-modded games to be able to hazard a guess as to what there is or how many of what there is will be present in this game (Kudos if you followed that sentance).

I'm going to go sleep on the problem, it's been a long week for me.

Edited by: radwulf at: 6/30/02 4:24:43 am
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- You had better stop this! protests Jesternl as he is cornered by the enraged townies. My name is Van Helsing, and I came here for humanitarian purposes.
- Bah, we never trusted you Germans anyway! Let's waste this scum, exclaims a more zealous townie.
- But, but... I am Dutch, and I am not scum either, I'm here to help you.

The townies however, will have none of his shenanigans. He is unceremoniously grabbed, taken to the ill-famed Forrest, and hanged.

Searching his house the townies realize Jesternl Van Helsing was indeed a doctor, but his degree was in organized crime.


JESTERNL (mafia godfather) has been lynched! Those who have to, please send in targets as soon as possible, no later than Tuesday, June 2nd, 11:59pm US Central (GMT -6). The topic will be closed during the night.

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Words cannot describe Mudster's bewilderment when he was approached by a man yielding a scythe, ready to strike:
- I... don't understand. What are you doing? I am trying to help you. You know I've been trying to help you. Please. I am one of you...
- You know too much! are the last words Mudster ever hears.

In the morning, the villagers find Mudster decapitated... on his desk, there are several coded letters from one named Jesternl Van Helsing.


Mudster, traitorous townie, instigating for the Mafia, has been killed. Discuss and vote! 4 votes or plurality at deadline are required for lynching.

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good morning! and it is GOOD indeed!

fisrt of all i got to make a confesion: MY VOTE FOR JEEP THE OTHER DAY WAS NOT MY CHOICE!!! I WAS FORCED TO DO IT!!
when the day bagan radwulf(the mod) anounced me that i've been forced by an evil force the night before to vote for JEEP next day! i couldn't do anyhing but for jeep otherwise i would have died last night! i could NOT tell anything "yesterday" for the same reason: radwulf told if i would he would have killed me!...so as much as i vanted to continue my acusations towards dear JERTERNL and vote for him i couldn't do that! but i'm very glad that finally u guys killed this bastard! i felt it from the begining, his mistakes were too obvious , that he's dirty but u guys didn't wanna go with me in the first place! that's ok i'm glad that he died , finally!

we are very close to a nice victory!

i have a question to u guys: do u think the VAMPIRE was the serial killer? i tend to belive that because when jesternl died radwulf refered to him as "mafia godfather" and he called diplomat "vampire"...so that's why i don't think they were in the same team ...and like i mentioned before, it didn't look like they were team mates based on how they played!

k...i'll b back ...

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Edited by: 007 at: 7/2/02 2:13:31 am
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I have yet to see a mafia game where mafia and vampire are on the same side, usually, if both names are present, there are two forces at work :(

Truthfully, right now, I'm at a loss. I'd returned to the game thread, rested and ready to look at the problem again, only to find that not only had night fallen, but day had come as well!

I really have no stunning revelations for ya'll :( all I have is sketchy logic based on my analysis of the game. Mole, our friendly cop, voted once that I have seen (did I miss a post maybe?), and that vote went to jeep. Since mole is dead we have absolutly no way to know if Jeep is mafia scum.

Also, Jeep has sort of gone for Jesternl, which is good, but could also be the clever mafia ploy to disassociate himself from his Godfather.

Or maybe I'm reading to far into this :( FOS Jeep for now, I know there is something in the thread, I can sense it, Instinct(TM) is telling me there is something big I'm missing, I just can't see it yet :(

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I am back from my weekend getaway. I drove 1100 miles, and I almost think that less happened to me along the way than did in this game since my departure -- and a lot of things happened on my little trip. Well, I don't have much to go on -- I looked briefly at all the old posts to see if there was anyone that associated themselves with Jesternl......and since we yapped so damn much it is hard to find a definite pattern. At one point skittles and jeep voted with Jesternl (I think for DiplomatA, in the first bandwagon that failed), but that's all I can see. At later points both seemed to come clear of him. So.........I will vote for jeep. At least that's consistent with my previous suspicions.

Also, there is something we should consider. Jesternl said he protected me in the night. What does that mean? Did he say this to make us think that I actually had been the mafia target that night....to make us think that the mafia had been threatened by my accusations? When in fact they haven't, since Jester was maf.....so under that light all my previous accusations have been wrong. Otherwise, he might have known he'll be lynched so maybe he said that to throw suspicion on me? Or maybe it was a random statement? What do you guys think?

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I wrote this yesterday, but lost my connection to the Internet...

007, you were forced to vote for me? Hmm... nicely played. Would you have died if you had remained silent? Piping in at the end of a bandwagon is definitely the way to go.

As to mole voting for me, mole might have just started investigating at the top of the list and voted randomly (like the rest of us), when he found an innocent.

I really lean towards Wonko the Sane, so I think vote: Wonko the Sane. I suspect that Jesternl was trying to disassociate himself from you in an attempt to save you.

-JEEP

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I just reread Jesternl's last statement -- in it he made the following claim:
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And sKittLes has been voting for me almost constatly it seems, and I don't trust that.. it's a gut feeling.
Unvote: Neo, vote: sKittLes


This rang a little bell in me because I really didn't remember skittles voting too much for jester....so I went through all the posts and checked skittles' votes. He's voted for Neo, jeep, twice for diplomat A, gave me an FOS once, and only voted Jesternl on the 28th. At the time Jesternl only had one vote, and the deadline was still some time away so the vote was pretty harmless (it turned out otherwise when the deadline came swooshing down). So Jesternl's statement was entirely false!! Skittles had only voted for him once, and that right before his above-quoted statement. Hmm, it looks like Jesternl was trying to show us a long-standing disassociation between the two of them -- one that didn't exist! That reeks of mafia.

As I pointed out in my previous post, both skittles and jeep voted with jesternl (in the failed diplomat a bandwagon). Of the two I voted for jeep only based on old suspicions and Gut Feelings(tm). Now it seems skittles is more suspicious of the two (furthermore, jeep voted for jester as the third vote, with the deadline only hours away....that's cutting it too close for disassociation). So.......I unvote jeep and vote skittles.

As to 007's vote of jeep......if he really was forced to do it then I really don't know what to read of it. But maybe he was just responding to jeep's vote of jesternl, trying to defend his godfather...

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Also, jeep, how is jesternl's saying that he protected me disassociation? If he knew he's going to be lynched, he would have known that saying that could only put suspicion on me, not the other way around.

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Quote:

007, you were forced to vote for me? Hmm... nicely played. Would you have died if you had remained
silent?
...jeep

yeah, i would have died indeed! i HAD to vote for u jeep! if my vote was not there at the end of the day radwulf(the mod) would have killed the next day!

Quote:

As to 007's vote of jeep......if he really was forced to do it then I really don't know what to read of it.
But maybe he was just responding to jeep's vote of jesternl, trying to defend his godfather...


u don't know what to read of it?!? w00t? how about JEEP IS INNOCENT!! duhh!

im telling the truth, i was forced to do it !

defenfing jesrternl?!? that's not posible..
i tryed to put my vote in the very end of the day so it could not do any harm to me or to jeep!
so nobody had any time to acuze me( cause i couldn't tell u then that that was not my choice only the next day) or to take advantage of it and start a bandvagon to kiil jeep!

now: because the serial killer is dead that means that the only one(s) who could have poisened me and force me to vote for jeep were the MAFIA! so logicaly, JEEP IS NOT MAFIA! it seems he's innocent!

wonko the sane, looks like u keep hiting on jeep based on NOTHING!! i overlooked the previous days posts and it seams that u take advantage of every little change that u have to put a vote on jeep! even after my fisrt post "today" with my confesion from which is so clear that jeep can't be mafia!
all my gut feelings and all the facts tell me that u're mafia! so, obviously vote: wonko the sane

well, my vote it's not final but it's hard to change it! die, cum, die...and i hope u're the last one!

Edited by: 007 at: 7/3/02 5:51:13 pm
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and yeah your vote for jeep, today, not only that ,suspiciously, came after after my confesion but it followed noe's fos for jeep!! hm...trying to start a bandwagon, huh?

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Edited by: 007 at: 7/3/02 6:00:40 pm
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I think Wonko the Sane looks really suspicious... at least to me ..
Like 007 noticed, i think he is tryin' to start a bandwagon, and i suspected him for that the previous day also..

so.. there you go.. vote Wonko The Sane


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Edited by: joesatri at: 7/3/02 6:12:23 pm
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One more vote and another townie bites the dust. Time to open up my cards. You will see that if you believe me, then even if I'm lying you at most lose one day and know to lynch me the next. If I'm telling the truth, on the other hand, you get two lynches today and I probably die in the night through mafia retaliation.

So here it is: I am a vigilante. That means I'm a townie but I also get one kill in the night per game, which I haven't yet used. Such a tool is best used late in the game. So to save my life and to save the odds for the town, I make the following proposition: do not lynch me today. See if I tell the truth. Instead let us all vote for 2 people to lynch today....one through lynching and the other I promise to vigilante kill at night. This will both prove my role and give the town a chance to kill two mafia.

If you accept my proposition and I am not lying, you will know it in the morning. I doubt I will survive the night, but at least the town will have gotten two lynches in one day.

If you accept the proposition and all this is a lie, then you will also know it in the morning and will be free to all vote for me and lynch me as soon as it pleases you.

So do as you will. As to voting for jeep every chance I got, that's the way my gut feelings were for most of the game....but notice that every time facts said otherwise I followed the facts and unvoted him.

I hope you choose wisely. But if I am lynched today, do not forget to scrutinize all those who pushed most for my lynching.

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I'm teetering....

Wonko looks to be the favorite for lynching, but he has claimed a very valuable role. However, Jesternl claimed a valuable role too, and we all saw how I botched that one.

OTOH, has anybody else considered the possibility that Jeep and 007 are working together as mafia? If they are, it's a very very clever ploy, look at it:

Their GF is on the verge of lynching, 007 votes for Jeep in a move to disassociate himself, then the next day, states that the mafia forced him to vote that way or he would die, thus "clearing" the both of them. Next, they gang up on on the next person to cross them, in this instance, Wonko the Sane.

OR, 007 is mafia, makes his gambit, thus winning the support of Jeep and gaining another vote when Wonko makes the mistake (or sacrifice? hard to tell) of voting Jeep after 007 "clears" him.

Of course, there is the possibility that both are innocent as they say, and the remaining mafia is (are?) hiding :(

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It is true that Jester claimed a valuable role as well, but the role of a doctor cannot be conclusively proven. The role of vigilante can -- and I will prove it by using it like I outlined above. He asked for a pardon, I ask for one day's stay on my (perilously close) execution.

Furthermore, just so it's down on paper, Neo has just pretty much proven to me that he isn't mafia. All it takes is one more vote for me and I'm toast (4 is majority, I have 3). No mafia would miss such a golden opportunity -- and what's more, no one else would blame him for voting for me. All this, of course, is true only if I'm on the town's side. One way or another, you will all know by tomorrow morning that I am.

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I tend to believe Wonko (at least until proven guilty) and thus the best thing i can see is vote Skittles. I know the day just started but i think that path was forgotten or something...

But who should be the second target?
007
JEEP
JOESATRI 2 (replacing GENERALUL)
NAPOLEON (replacing VERTIGO)
NEO
SKITTLES
WONKO THE SANE

Edited by: Napoleon at: 7/4/02 2:06:19 am
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hmm...
realy don;t have time know to rationalize too much ...
i'll just do this for now and i'll b back with more...
unvote: wonko the sane

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Edited by: 007 at: 7/4/02 9:04:26 pm
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I am flying to Poland tomorrow morning, and I will be without internet access until Monday. I will be checking back here until tomorrow morning. Sorry for the absence.

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Unofficial vote count:

Wonko the Sane - 2 (jeep, joesatri)
Skittles -2 (wonko the sane, Napoleon)

for now.. it's a tie..
Maybe i'm too naive.... but i tend to trust Wonko the Sane for now..
so.. i will unvote Wonko The Sane .. even though.. (read below)

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The Dead (6):
JOESATRI - townie; lynched in day 1
BEONEKNIGHT - priest; killed during night 2
DIPLOMAT A - vampire; lynched in day 2
MOLE - cop; killed in day 2
JESTERNL - mafia godfather; lynched in day 3
MUDSTER - traitorous instigator; killed in night 4

That's how we're standing:
We were 13 at first.. ( now, 7 living, 6 dead)
only one of the 6 dead was a townie... so.. i think we have:

3 townies - only a townie has died.
2 special roles ( one good, one bad - the priest / vampire roles take out
eachother..
2 mafia (only the GodFather and a traitor investigator have died, so i think..
we have 2 more mafia guys)

Considering this, and the fact that the living are:
007
JEEP
JOESATRI 2 (replacing GENERALUL)
NAPOLEON (replacing VERTIGO)
NEO
SKITTLES
WONKO THE SANE

Who do we vote??
I will not vote for now.. there is still a lot of time, and only 4 votes are necessary to kill somebody..

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Updated Unofficial vote count:

Wonko the Sane - 1 (jeep)
Skittles -2 (wonko the sane, Napoleon)


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Vote count!

skittles 2 - (wonko the sane, napoleon)
wonko the sane 1 - (jeep)

Lynching Deadline: 48 hrs from now (Sunday, 5PM GMT -6)

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A DEADLINE?!?!

radwulf, you of all mods should know that we don't need a lynching deadline now!

We need time to think things through and make the right decisions! A posting deadline I'd agree with, but not this.

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This is indeed pretty weird..
I dunno what 2 do.. should i make it even so that noone will die.. ?
skittles seems a bit suspicious though.. so.. i guess i'm gonna let things *flow*..


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Wonko,

If you are indeed a vigilante, be extremely careful with your kill. If we kill wrong, we lose. We can afford a lynch, but not a lynch AND a night kill... So if we lynch town tonight, I think you should not kill. Doc might protect you.

If we lynch mafia, we can afford to have you play.

I'm still hesitant to unvote you...

-JEEP

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Wonko, maybe you could say who you're going to kill (we the townspeople seem unable to agree, or to even start the discussion for that matter ;) ). At least the doc will know to heal self if you target him!!

(*goes to check to see if assassin's race gets revealed*) Bah, it just says "has been killed". :( You better name your target pronto...

Edited by: Napoleon at: 7/9/02 4:21:21 pm
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- Life sucks, then you die! And I guess it's my turn now, Skittles agrees resignedly.
He doesn't try to resist Wonko the Sane and Napoleon when they take him away for the slaughter while the rest of the town indifferently watches this now all too familiar scene.


Skittles (townie) has been lynched! It is now night! Please send your choices as soon as possible, no later than 72 hours from the date of this post (board time is GMT +2).

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The townies wake up and realize their number has shrieked again. They find Napoleon dead in his house, with a gruesome bullet wound on his forehead. On the wall, written in what appears to be the victim's blood, they find this slogan: "long live Greater Romania!"

Napoleon (townie) has been killed! It is now day, discuss and vote! 3 votes or plurality at deadline are necessary for lynching.

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wow...this doesn't look good at all...
we are 5 left...with the chance that two of us being mafia...hm ugly situation...

well for one thing, JEEP is inoccent! that's what i understand from what happened to me a night before...
i'll b back with more...

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Edited by: 007 at: 7/12/02 5:58:35 am
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so, wonko the sane...what happened last night?

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My thoughts are that either he killed Napoleon, or his kill was protected and the mafia got Napoleon.

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The thought that Wonko may have lied didn't occur until now, but it's a possibility.

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I expect the pace of the game to be extremely slow for a while because two of the players will have access to the Internet very sporadically in the following days. I will adjust the deadlines accordingly.

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Well, what about the other two? There is a chance one of them is mafia and is lurking :(

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Personally, I'm waiting for Wonko to give his explanation. I'm pretty sure he lied about his role and I'm ready to vote for him, but since he said he was out of town, I didn't want to vote him yet.

-JEEP

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We should be hearing from Wonko sometime today....I think.

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Or not...Maybe I had the wrong monday?

Unless I messed my math up, there is me, jeep, and somebody else here that is lurking, and Wonko as well in case I did have the correct day.

Now, who hasn't declared an absence?

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*sigh* this gets boring.

Well, I'll vote: Wonko out of boredom.

-JEEP

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Sorry to keep you all waiting so long. I'm in Cyprus and didn't get around to finding an internet cafe until today. Well, as to what happened during the night, I killed Napoleon -- aside from withdrawing his vote from me at one point and then voting skittles (albeit it was an almost crucial point) he has done nothing since beginning playing: no votes, no FOSs, no insight, nothing. So I figured he was mafia, lurking....or if I was wrong and he was a townie, then he was a pretty inactive townie and losing him was a lesser evil than killing an active townie or a doc (before deciding on Napoleon, I wanted to take out one of two other people....but they are both active and one might be a doc so...).
Anyway, you know the kill wasn't mafia because they kill by scythes in this game....and this killer (me) wrote some patriotic stuff on the wall too. So what happened to the mafia kill? My leading guess is that I was targetted but was saved by a doc.
There are 5 people left...since I know my innocence, there are 4 left, of which probably 2 are mafia. Unless I am mistaken by exactly 180 degrees, I vote jeep. I also FOS 007.
I will check back in a day or two.

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Have I missed a declaration of absence from 007? Yesterday/last night I saw his name in the users active in the last 15 minutes thing at the bottom of the screen, so he seems to be lurking.

FOS 007 This may be upgraded to a full vote after more reviews of the thread.

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well...wonko u are mistaken...at least about me...

and what's very interesting is that neo is folowing your footsteps imediatly...hmm..u were waiting for this neo, right? a bandwagon...

and why am i a suspect in the first place? throw some acuzations so i could defend myself!

hey neo...whats your role? ??

till u speak u have a vote from me... vote: neo

and your tactics is pretty smart but i don't think its gonna work...u didn't vote for me, u just gave me a fos so u don't look to suspicious...jumping without too many explanations and starting a badwagon...
u pretty much look like a dirty scum...

i am waiting for your speach...include info about your role pls!

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Neo
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Hmm, lets see, I post several times in a row, asking about silent people, wondering who's sitting idle.

Contrary to popular belief, I have a very busy life. I say I'm going to check the thread, but it may be a day or two or three before I actually have the time to do so, as happened in this case.

BTW, define immediatly please. Am I not allowed to post when I have the chance just because you aren't? Big deal on the two hour difference if that was what you were referring too.

While I'm thinking about it, why haven't you posted lately? It seems awfully suspicious to have seen you around but yet you don't post until a shadow of suspicion is cast your way.

(I'm meandering by the way, there is no coherent order to this post)

You asked why you were suspect, I thought I'd made my self clear several times already. radwulf told us about people being declared absent, etc. With only me doing the majority of the posting, and jeep throwing a couple in, there were a couple people unaccounted for. By the time I'd found time to search for said declarations and such, I posted it, saying that you were getting an FOS for lurking in a critical stage of the game (just not in those exact words).

I'm all set and prepared to vote for you, but I want to make sure that voting you won't have the mafia laughing at the town lynching eachother while they sit idle. I havent' voted you yet because I'm not sure yet, I don't run off half-cocked on partial suspicions. I also don't reveal my role if it is not beneficial to the town, and at this moment in time, it is not so. You could very well be scum trying to sort out the more important role to kill tonight.

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Well, I'm convinced Wonko did kill last night. I think he's mafia...

I'm probably not going to check this thread for a little while, so if y'all get anxious, please don't lynch me until I get a chance to defend myself.

-JEEP

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I'm waiting on 007.

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what exactly are u waiting on , neo?

and one more thing...joesatri! whats up man? are u playing anymore or is this your strategy?

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hi ppl.
i'm over in romania, really busy.. can't post.. i just read some of the posts.. i hope i'll find time to come back with a larger post..

please consider that i'm married.. visiting my family that i haven't seen in a long time..

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His reply.

And Wonko.

Actually, this is starting to really suck, we are playing to the pace the mafia wants us too, and I don't know what to do about it.

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Well, I'm bored so I'll go ahead and reveal my role and what I know.

I'm a private investigator. I can camp out at someone's house and see who visits them. The first night I camped 007's house and saw mole visit. He didn't vote 007, so he must have found him not guilty.

So, I believe 007 is innocent. I know I am. Neo, if you are indeed innocent, you two can join me in voting for Wonko.

-JEEP

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Discussion and Voting Deadline: Wednesday 11:59pm GMT -6

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I do not see the reason behind your vote for me, jeep. Unless you're mafia, that is. Your role as a pi?? Dubious at best....how does one go "visit" another player? Perhaps you can see who gets together at night to talk? Well if you could, I am pretty sure you would have investigated me yesterday....I had a lot of people voting for me and I staved off the lynching in the last minute by revealing my role.....I would think that my position would have made you suspicious enough to check me out using your "powers" at night. Which would have shown you my innocence.
Furthermore, I not only revealed my role, but proved it by using my vigilante kill on Napoleon. Radwulf's narration of the kill was very obviously very different from previous kills (i.e. the known mafia kills)....there was no scythe, no masked person, etc. There was also the 'long live Greater Romania' slogan on the wall -- this is a kill by a character that is on the side of the country (and by association, the town), not some criminal mafia element.
So, finally, I keep my vote, because I think jeep's revelation is an obvious falsehood. He's mafia scum. Furthermore, he is very obviously trying to defend 007. It is so obvious it hurts. So my entire body of suspicion falls on 007 to add to the finger that was already there.
This really makes me wish I had two votes, or that I had not wasted my vigilante kill in proving my innocence (I had planned to keep it until a moment like this).

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k, first thing:
Quote:
Well, I'm bored so I'll go ahead and reveal my role and what I know.

I'm a private investigator. I can camp out at someone's house and see who visits them. The first
night I camped 007's house and saw mole visit. He didn't vote 007, so he must have found him not
guilty.
...jeep

well, i told u that i tend to belive that jeep is innocent based on what happened to me,the fact that i was forced one of the days to vote for jeep ...i was thinking that mafia did that but now i'm not so sure and jeep is being very suspicious but what he just said about his role!
if i would give it another thought to what happened to me i would say that the chances are that the person who forced me to vote for jeep is not mafia! mafia usualy has the power (wepon) to kill, ot anything else ...it would be to much for a mafia to be able to kill AND force someone to vote for someone else during the day!!..i was thinking that the person who forced me could be someone else...maybe one of the "town people"...but its very weird nobody claimed that power...hm...if it was one of the town ppl why souldn't he say it its him so we know JEEP is a scum! interesting...and besides i just lookes again in my mail from radwulf that day when he informed me about the fact that i;m forced to vote for jeep and he said that an EVIL FORCE has bought my vote for the next day! so i guess it can't be a "town person"...its evil...!hmm... this is a tough one!...by this time the S.K.(vampire diplomat) was dead so...who could be ? the mafia or maybe another role ...but its hard to belive with mafia, townies and SK. that it could be another party in the game...
i need some help here! please say your opinions!

hey, JEEP, what about the other nigths? who did u visit? ...and the most important : who did u visit last night? its weird u didnt say anything about last night when we need it the most...u just chose to "confirm" my innocence ! hm...are u trying what it seems like?!?
tell us more ...even though i don't think i could "buy" what u said about your role...hm...i don't know..

WONKO, the problem is that we can't be sure about your role and can't prove that it was u who killed napoleon last night..."u" being the vigilante...cause maybe u killed him , indeed, but not as a vigillante but as a mafia scum!...every time radwulf begins a new day and tells us who died or not last night ...every time he's saying it in different way...he does not have a patern so thats why u can't prove taht the vigilante killed napoleon...radwulf does not say it clearly who was the killer...he didnt say it not one time...so..last night because just one died we could realy easy think that u lied...that that was the mafia kill and u lied about your role...or ofcourse we colud chose to belive u and think that the doctor saved the other person last night!

WONKO, what made u think that napoleon is guilty and u used your vigilante kill on him as u claim that u did!!??

and WONKO its interesting how u don't say much about neo and joesatri! at least tell me your opinion about JOESATRI who's silence makes me thing he's hiding something!

INDEED, THIS IS A CRUCIAL MOMENT(DAY)IN THIS GAME AND I WANT TO DO EVERYTHIG THAT WE CAN TO END IT WITH A TOWNIE VICTORY!
I WANT TO ASK U GUYS SOMETHING: DO U THINK A GOOD IDEEA THAT EVERYONE OF US SOULD REVEAL(CLAIM) HIS ROLE!!??...I PERSONALY THINK IT WOULD HELP US EVEN TOUGH ITS TRICKY IF WE STIIL HAVE TWO MAFIASCUMS!
SO WHAT DO U THINK?

i'm waiting on your answers and participation!
ill unvote: neo...for now..

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Edited by: 007 at: 7/23/02 6:58:56 pm
Neo
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First off, I'm not sure what everbody claiming roles will do, I've seen it done in other games, and more often than not, nothing beneficial happens.

Have I given an FOS to Jeep yet? I feel I should, claiming a role when you are in no danger of lynching and are "bored"?

radwulf, has joesatri announced an absence? I have it my notes that he did, but I can't find it anywhere in the the thread. If he hasn't, then he may be lurking scum.

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Well, at least it got some discussion.

Wonko, it would have been stupid to watch you, since I only see who visits that person, I don't follow people. If you had told us who you intended to kill, I would have watched that person and seen you do it.

I watched 007, Neo, Mudster, Skittles, and then 007 again. I thought mafia might try to kill 007 last night since he believes (or at least believed) I'm innocent. I saw nothing except for the first night.

-JEEP

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Not sure whom to lynch, the townies return to their homes without committing any bloodshed this time.

It is night, please send in your targets.

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The townies wake up fearing the worst, but are once again surprised and delighted to find out no one is missing.

Nobody has been killed tonight! It is now day, discuss and vote! 3 votes or plurality at deadline required for lynching.

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OK, so we must have a doc and the doc protected whoever the mafia attacked. That's good, except I didn't investigate the same person :( .

So I believe Wonko more, now. So I think Wonko and 007 are innocent. I will vote: Neo since he's one of the two remaining.

-JEEP

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Okay, either it is w00t we have a doc, or the mafia didn't send a choice.

I just love Jeep's "logic!"

"Well, I'm innocent (nobody ever says THAT do they?) I've claimed a role (unconfirmed) and I think so and so and this person are innocent (why?) so I'll just vote person #3 because he's one of two remaining."

Well, I'd like to reinstate my FOS Jeep and go on to vote Joesatri on the off chance he's mafia and didn't send a choice or something, since I have nothing to go on and our "cop" is full of crap.

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/3/02 3:22:54 am
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unvote: Neo

Hmm... I guess I need to re-read the thread. I didn't remember the role claim.

-JEEP

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Oops, I just needed to re-read the post...

"I think so and so and this person are innocent (why?) "...

Well, I think 007 is innocent because mole (cop) visited him first night and didn't vote for him.

*sigh* Honestly... I'm bored and want people to contribute to the game.

vote: joesatri

-JEEP

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Keep in mind Jeep, that doesn't exactly mean anything. Either 007 is innocent, or mole wanted to play it safe and not accidently tip his hand too early.

Thats what I don't like about this game, it's the not knowing :-/

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/3/02 3:24:44 am
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A strange morning. A day without a lynching followed by a bloodless night. So there must be a doc, otherwise why wouldn't the mafia kill?

I believe Neo is innocent. This is based on my knowledge of my innocence, so I don't know if I can convince anyone of it....but I believe in his innocence because when I had one vote less than the majority and he hadn't voted yet, he posted he doesn't want to vote for me because he wasn't convinced I was mafia.........had he voted for me I would have been lynched immediately -- no mafia scum would miss such a golden opportunity to get away with a free townie kill.

So that leaves joesatri, 007, and jeep. 007 has been quiet today, but stranger than his silence is jeep's attitude towards me.....sure, he said he believes me more now, but only yesterday he was yelling mafia scum at me and today he is nice enough to say he thinks I'm innocent. I think such a 180 is suspicious, and this late in the game, suspicious is not a good thing to be.

Before I vote, I must say one thing to the other townies. If there are in fact 2 mafia left, they can get a plurality on one of us if we don't vote together. I am unwilling to vote for joesatri only for being absent (he explained himself). I am going to stay with my vote from yesterday. I suggest the other townies read my posts from yesterday for the justification of my vote -- and then decide if they want to vote with me. I vote jeep and FOS 007.

I am leaving to go backpacking in the mountains tomorrow morning at 5am Polish time. I will be gone for 10 days if the weather is good and no accidents befall me. I will try, however, to call my girlfriend every two days or so and have her read me the new posts....she will also post for me and vote for me, of course per instructions from me. I apologize in advance for any delays on my part.

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/3/02 3:25:14 am
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Well, all the delays have made me lose interest in the game. I will continue to play because I did commit to do so.

mod: Please post the announced absences and expected return time.

If there is a doc, then we have doc + whoever he protected last night as innocent. If he protected someone different last night, then that person is also innocent if we believe Wonko.

I am not 100% convinced of Wonko's innocence. I still do not understand why he has been after me the whole game. The rabid attacks really scream mafia to me, but I have convinced myself that he indeed did have vigilante.

I have claimed a role.
Wonko has claimed a role, if there were two kills, I would have definitely believed him, but there was only one, so I only mostly beleive him.
007 is innocent as far as I am concerned, I belive mole would have given us some indication that 007 was mafia.

Neo, did start the bandwagon against the mafia godfather, he might have been afraid to unvote if he was mafia, but he could have voted someone else earlier... also, he didn't push Wonko into the noose, so if Wonko is innocent, which I now believe, I think that he is innocent, too.

That leaves joesatri. I think we have one mafia, and I leave my vote on him.

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/3/02 3:25:27 am
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There are currently no announced absences; however, Joesatri and Wonko have announced reduced ability to post, due to being away from home.

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hey u all

sorry for my absence but i had serious problems with the internet...for a strange reason i couldn't login to the site or post ...sorry again...

well...looks like i was really inspired last night! i saved joesatri and it seems the either mafia atacked him or they(him) forgot to send the choice! I AM THE DOCTOR OF THIS TOWN AND THE GOOD PART ABOUT IT IS THAT I CAN SAVE MYSELF SO I'M NOT AT ALL AFRAID TO REVEAL MY ROLE! THE MAFIA CAN'T REALLY DO NOTHING ABOUT IT! :limba
now, if we chose to think that the mafia didn't send the choice( which is pretty hard to believe since we are not in the beginning of the game...this is a an important moment of the game and i don't think the scum(s) would miss such a chance) then joesatri might be mafia scum BUT if we chose to belive that i saved the right person last night then joesatri is clearly INNOCENT!

i somehow find JEEP's behaviour really suspicious but i can't get over what happend to me that night when i was forced to vote for him ...and putting that in the context it tells me that he's innocent!

about WONKO...he's acting weird and i think he's lying about his role! i asked for some explantions in #174 and he didn't bother to answer!

about neo i tend to believe that he's clean! as wonko said he had the chance to linch him having the last vote to the majority and he didn't ! well this doesn't make him innocent, necesarly...he might be mafia with wonko or he didn't want to take the chance and kill an innocent man joining a bandvagon like that ..that would have put him in the spot!

last thought for now....: one thing that i think mafia would do now is "confiming" someone's innocence! let me explain this: well "x" is mafia and he knows that "y" is not! he will try to support "y" so he wins his confidence and also if "y" dies "x" would look good in front of everyone because he "told 'em so"

k, guys speak out cause we need it the most now! help the town win! mafia's help is apreciated too...u guys might be really usefull ;)

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Before I begin (what should be a short post, I'm supposed to be helping renovate our bathroom) I'd just like to say I'm really enjoying this game, frustration and all. There are so many contingencies to consider, so many options, and this is frustrating, but makes for one of the best and most challenging late-end games I've ever experianced. At least thats what I tell myself as I beat my head against the desk or wall and wonder just what I am missing.

Also, 007, I've had some site problems too :( Mostly along the lines of I can't get here.

Anyways, what I wanted to say is that 007 seems to have a pretty good rundown, at this point I'm still suspicious of almost everybody, and later, if I have time, I'll bring up some possibilities on why everybody could be mafia.

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/3/02 3:25:59 am
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unvote: joesatri

OK, 007, if you protected him last night, then either Wonko is lying about being the Vigilante or Neo is mafia.

I was so close to camping your house, but I thought that the mafia would try to kill me, since I've claimed investigative powers.

Is anyone still alive from your earlier saves?

007, I'll be happy to vote however you do.

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/3/02 3:26:20 am
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Voting deadline: Tuesday, 08/06, 11:59pm GMT -6

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Edited by: radwulf at: 8/3/02 3:26:32 am
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unvote Joesatri for now at least.

My posting here will be limited for a while, I'm not feeling very well.

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/6/02 8:42:14 am
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Well, I won't be checking this thread in the next 24 hours unless things get really slow at work, so mod: can I tie my vote to 007's until the deadline? If so, I will vote: Same as 007 if not, then I'm afraid I will abstain today unless you extend the deadline (assuming there is some conversation).

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/6/02 8:42:26 am
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Jeep: you may not tie your vote to another player's.

Vote count!
jeep 1 - (wonko the sane)

3 votes required for lynching, or plurality at deadline (Tuesday 08/06, 11:59pm GMT -6)

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My trip to the mountains ended a few days early, so from now on I'll be able to post regularly.

007's post made me change my mind about a few things. Also my vote. First of all, I am assuming there are still 2 mafia scum in the game. 007 said he is the doc and that he protected joesatri. Since there was no kill (and mafia WOULD NOT miss a kill this late in the game) we all know there is a doc and that the doc did indeed save someone. So it was an easy role to claim (and for us to believe) because we were all wondering who the doctor is.
But his claim implies his and joesatri's innocence. That leaves myself, Neo, and Jeep -- based on my assumption two would have to be mafia. I know my innocence, and I am also convinced of Neo's innocence (I've explained this). That would leave only jeep. Based on my assumption of 2 mafia scum, something doesn't compute in this reasoning.
So, I think 007 is mafia (I've been FOSing him lately, so this is no surprise). His role claim is an obvious lie to me. Given that, I also think joesatri is mafia, and that 007 was trying to make them both appear innocent. It was a bold move, and if it had succeeded it may have meant the game for the mafia.
In this light, I think jeep may be innocent. In any case, 007 and joesatri are much more suspicious than he is. If there are only 2 mafia in the game, then he is not one of them.
So I unvote jeep and vote 007 and FOS joesatri.
Finally, I want to answer 007's question regarding why I chose to kill Napoleon. I knew I had to kill someone to prove my role -- otherwise I would have been lynched because no one would believe my role. In the last minutes and seconds, I was teetering between jeep and 007. Both seemed suspicious, but in the end I had too many doubts. Napoleon, while not per se suspicious, didn't provide any insight or votes from the point of his entry into the game until saying he didn't want to vote for me and voted skittles instead (I don't remember his exact words at that point, and this terminal doesn't let me open another browser window so maybe he only FOSed skittles or something). It seemed like clever lurking in a way -- he posted, but didn't vote or FOS. To me, he was an inactive player (no votes, insight), maybe mafia and thus not helpful to the town. In the end, I chose poorly -- he was a townie. But of all the players, he was the least active -- so he was the least useful townie. In retrospect, I am glad I chose Napoleon, because otherwise I would have chosen jeep....and as I said above, now for the first time I think he may not be the bad guy I thought he was. And if jeep is a townie, he's much more active (and thus helpful) than napoleon was.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I have been gone a while and had much to say.
A final note: townies, remember that if we scatter our votes, mafia can lynch one of us with a plurality. I will check back tomorrow.

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hm..interesting come back, wonko...
your latest post is really convincing ...it almost made me vote for me :b ..its pretty logical but if look more careful something is not right in this picture!

fisrt of all, u really don't wanna understant that u're role claiming is not at all more beliveble than mine!! u really didn't do anything to prove that u really are the vigilante!but u're expecting us to belive u and take the way u say it is! well, it doesn't work like that!

i am the doctor of this town and i indeed saved joesatri last night!
u came up with an really interesting hypothesis ! k, my turn now! ckeck this out:

u and neo are mafia! based on the thinking that are still two mafia in the game! ussually 1/3 of the players are mafia! the game had 13...then 4 or 5 are mafia, right?...not necesarelly to be in the same team!
by now 3 scums are dead ! so takeing it this way u could see that your strong teory about 2 mafia remainig its not final! it could really easy be just one left! but...lets go your way ...
two mafia left, u say huh? if its like that i know who they are: u (wonko) and neo!
starting from this assumption we could explain a lot of things! PAY A LITTLE ATENTION HERE , PLEASE!
why didnt neo vote for u when he had the last vote ? answer: cause u are parteners! both scums!
see if we take your teory that are 2 mafia left then its clear that JOESATRI couldnt be mafia!
EXPLANATION: after what happened last night , me saving him and nobody dieing JOESATRI is either mafia or an innocent townie that i saved! BUT see he only could be mafia if we say there is only one scum left: he's(joesatri) scum and he didnt send the target cause he didnt have time for the game...BUT if we go , again, with your teory that there are 2 mafia left then he can't be mafia...i don;t think he's mate (whoever he is in this case) would have missed to send the target even if joesatri did...it would be to much of a coincidence..both mafia missing to send the target in such an important moment of the game! its pretty childish to think that! Putting this together with the fact that NOBODY died last night and i SAVED joesatri....its more then clear that JOESATRI IS INNOCENT!! i hope u're folowing me...if there were two mafia and joesatri one of them somebody should have died last night!!!! get it! its simple!!!
now, i proved that JOESATRI IS INNOCENT!
JEEP IS INNOCENT TOO! i explained before why is that!
i know i'm the doctor of this town!

there're two left: neo and u(wonko)! u're either both mafia...or it's just u WONKO!!!
see i can't be just neo, its either u wonko OR both of u guys!...if it was just him he would have voted for u that time when he had the chance to kill u...he had the last vote! but he didnt...why? either he was not sure about u being a scum( he didnt want to kill an innocent man)...and in this case he's clearly INNOCENT or he's a mafia scum in the same team u are and he didn't wanna kill he's mate!

well, wonko u wanted reasoning! there u have it!
either way u take what i just said its so obvious that ONE OF THE SCUMS LEFT or THE ONLY MAFIA SCUM LEFT is YOU: WONKO THE SANE

now, i only pray that we're gonna have the help of joesatri for the vote! i'm assuming jeep will go with me! and its interesting how neo will react to this!

die scum die, vote :wonko the sane ...and if the game will not end after this...then: die scum die, NEO!

-edited by 007 for little mistakes here and there-

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Edited by: 007 at: 8/6/02 7:46:27 pm
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Blah, I really feel like crap, so be happy i checked here at all and ignore anything that doesnt' seem to make sense. It's amazing how sick you can get from too much sun.

Knowing I'm not scum, and assuming joesatri is innocent based on 007's actions, leaves me to consider these possibilities.

1) 007 is doctor as he says, saved joesatri who was also targetted, leaving Jeep and Wonko to be mafia. If 007 is right about Jeep being innocent, then that leaves Wonko.

2) 007 is the remaining mafia, and is playing a dangerous tactic of not sending kills and claiming to be a doc. Interesting. We're screwed if this is true.

3) 007 and Jeep are working together as scum. Don't see enough evidence to support this though.

5) Joesatri is the remaining mafia, and being absent, didn't send a kill. We have no way of being sure.

And so, not knowing what to do, I just sit here. I could vote for wonko, part of me wants to, but my gut has been wrong enough times in this game, i just don't trust it anymore.

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Who's the doctor if no one else claimed the role? I claimed the role and nobody denounced me. There's gotta be at least one doctor, right? Just think about it for a little bit. Neo, if you're not voting for Wonko the Sane, then you're mafia, and i'll vote you or Wonko tomorrow, as i won't die, because i can save myself.
Confirm Vote: Wonko the Sane

[ this was posted on 007's behalf by me, radwulf; 007 does not have Internet access at home, but he read the latest messages over his cell phone, and transmitted the above message to me over the phone ]

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Well, I think this might be after the deadline, but I will vote: Wonko Wonko, if you DO believe me, then you know that 007 is pretty much established as innocent.

mod: If joesatri is going to be away so much, is there any way to get a replacement?

The town could easily lose because he is not playing.

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/7/02 7:28:02 am
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When Wonko realizes all is lost for him, he pulls out a rifle he had somehow managed to keep hidden in his trench coat, and aims it at 007. 007 dodges the shot, and then grabs the weapon, while Jeep sneaks behind Wonko and trips him. Savage kicks and punches are unleashed upon the fallen Wonko, until he is no longer able to put up any resistance. Then the townies drag him to the Hanged Forrest.
- May your sins haunt you forever scumbags! Long live Greater Romania! cries Wonko just before the chair is kicked from beneath him.

At Wonko's house, the townies find some proof of illegal activity. It turns out Wonko had been forcibly conscripted in the Austro-Hungarian army. When his unit had been moved from the Russian front to the Romanian one, Wonko deserted, preferring to risk a desertor's death rather than fight against his conationals. A cruel fate has caught up with him, as he is hanged not by the army he deserted, but by fellow compatriots in the remote mountain village where he sought refuge.


Wonko the Sane (army deserter) has been lynched! It is now night! Please send in your targets, no later than Friday, 11:59pm GMT -6

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Oddly enough, the nights in this village are often more peaceful and quiet than expected.

Nobody has been killed tonight! 3 votes are required for lynching, or plurality at deadline.

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huh...

k first thing: i saved JEEP last night!

its so obvious that this time the mafia DID SEND the choice! the night ended soner than the "deadline" ...that means that mafia did their (his) job but it looks like once again i saved the right person!

this morning i met radwulf on #mafiagames(irc) and he told me to send the choice which i did imediatly after he reminded me and now after couple hours i see that the day started already!
it seems that he was waiting on me and that the mafia have already sent the target by the time i sent mine or maybe after ...but the point is they(him) the mafia DID send the choice ! this time we could be almost 100% sure of that since the night ended so soon...

one more thing: what did u guys understand from what radwulf said about wonko? was he a good guy or a bad guy after all?

i started to think about what neo said ...there's a possibility that joesatri is the only mafia left and he didn't send the choice the night before last night cause he didn't really have time for the game...
and this morning when i saw him on #mafiagames after a long time and then the "day" started here right after i sent my choice i'm starting to suspect this guy more and more...

with this in mind for now i have two fingers of suspicion : NEO and JOESATRI ...but i think there a long way to go from here so speak out everyone!

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Edited by: radwulf at: 8/9/02 6:36:24 am
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I've been terrible at choosing who to watch. I watched my house last night, but of course no one showed up then.

Wonko was most likely a good guy... the death scene was a touch ambiguous, but it does suggest that Wonko was good.

vote: Neo

He is clearly the most likely candidate if we assume 007's innocence.

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/9/02 6:36:46 am
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It's time for me to come out.

I am the altar boy. I had no abilities, my only knowledge was of the Priest, Beoneknight, however I knew nothing of his role details.

With my innocence, this leads me to think that JEEP is lying. 007 is right, if he's not the doctor, who is?

Of course, this is assuming that joesatri isn't lurking. FOS joesatri

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hmm...wierd jeep...
u watched your house last night , huh? and how come u didn't find anything...i just said i saved u last night and i was pretty sure that the mafia attacked u!...so at least 1 PERSON visited u last night if not 2..including the mafia guy!

u sould have find at least that i was around your house...couse as i said i saved u last night!

dude, i think u might be lieing about your role!

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Edited by: radwulf at: 8/9/02 6:37:10 am
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It's a silly error with English- I was thinking of the most recent night as "tonight" and the night before that (when you say you protected yourself) as "last night". I watched my own house on the night you say you protected yourself and watched joesatri's house on the night that just ended.

joesatri, what's your role?

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/9/02 10:23:59 am
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Quote:
I was so close to camping your house, but I thought that the mafia would try to kill me, since I've
claimed investigative powers.
jeep

k, jeep lets say its like that...i see u said before that that night u camped at your house BUT i'm not 100% sure that your tellin' the truth about your role so i got to ask u something:
please give a list for every night in this game , who did u checked and what did u find out(the results) starting with the first night and ending with the one that just pased! thanks

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[off line]
i wanna tell u guys that i'm gonna be gone for couple of days...i'm goin' camping somewhere in Wisconsin ...i'm leaving today (friday) and i'll b back sunday night!
most likely i won't be able to check in by then, so...!

and maybe radwulf would like to extend the "day " a little bit...maybe...

k see u "scums" soon! 8)
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Edited by: radwulf at: 8/9/02 10:04:05 pm
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See post 176, then add me and joesatri to the list. I only ever saw anything on one night- the first.

The response except for night 1 was "All's quiet at X's house." On night 1, I got "mole visited 007's house".

-JEEP

[ probably an ezboard bug, don't worry about it -- radwulf ]

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/10/02 8:09:19 am
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I can't ever seem to see the last post until after I post... sorry about messing up the numbering.

-JEEP

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And finally, i'm back.

I went through the thread, and i don't really know what to make of it.

Since radwulf is the mod in this game, and i know he likes to use only few mafia scums, there is only one left.
i'm innocent, and so is 007 (he's a doc). I was away, so i think the mafia DID send the target when he protected me.
That leaves Jeep and Neo..

Now.. Jeep's comeback on his 'mistake' is a little convincing.. though.. i'm not sure whether he's innocent or not..

I have no solid argument for voting neo, so, i will *** FOS JEEP *** for now..

[off topic]
thanks guys for being pacient with my absence..
mod: thanks for keepin' me in the game..
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-edited for post number-


:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

Edited by: 007 at: 8/13/02 6:06:43 pm
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k, so it looks like more and more that jeep is indeed innocent! all the facts tell me that he's clean! even the last checkout that i did...it seems that he's tellin the truth about his role!...but it remains he's wierd behaviour from the begining of this game...so,for me now its facts against behaviour...its such a crucial point in the game that i wanna be at least 95% sure before i make a decision...

but more suspicious are NEO and JOESATRI!...i tend to belive its JOESATRI the mafia!
it can't be two more left, even though we still have the doc(me)! it would make no sense: in the case with two mafia left the town won't be able to win anyways, maybe postpone the ending but not win...u need 3 votes...but, wait...a person could be lynched even with one vote...oh, man this is tough...

i have an ideea! since it can't be two mafias left(at least that how it seems), lets go NOLYNCH today!
its easyer to chose from 2, then from 3! ...its risky..i dont know...what do u guys think?

and one more thing: i might have missed it but can u guys , JOESATRI and NEO say your ROLES...or at least claim one!

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Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:30:24 am
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007 see post 203.

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:36:13 am
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k neo, what about the ideea i just had...nolynch...what do u think?

JOESATRI , man, come out with your role!

i just went one more time over all the posts in the game( it could get really boring , belive me :) ) studiing 'em in the context that we are right now...i got something to go on but i'm still waiting on JOESATRI'S role claim!...

dudes, this is fun but its so twisted!

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Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:36:29 am
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No lynch.

Well, depends on what joesatri says.

And yes, I have to agree about this being a twisted game. I'm going nuts trying to figure it out.

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:36:48 am
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No lynch is fine in this set up.

-JEEP

P.S. I am curious about my weird behavior... if you mean my impatience at the pace of this game, then it's been what 3 months for a mini-game? That's outrageous.

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:37:02 am
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Ok ppl, here comes my role..

I'm the GOVERNOR. I can save somebody from being lynched.. even save myself..
If anybody has any doubt about this, you all can vote for me tonight, and i will save myself.

So..
007, jeep, NEO and I.
Neo says he's the altar boy..
007 says claims he saved jeep last night...
that takes both of them out of the picture..

I would not go for no lynch... i really really suspect NEO now, he has no good arguments..

so.. what do u guys say?

mod: do we have a deadline for the day?


:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:37:20 am
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Well, can you blame me joe? I have no information other than what I can gather from posts. I do nothing at night and therefore can't get any information that way. I can only use what you people give me.

As for wierd behavior, I just never saw you declare an absence. It just now occured to me that radwulf may have done that for you. Apologies if this is the case.

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:37:39 am
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Well, Neo, i almost believe 007 is innocent. ( his posts, what he knows, he said he protected me that night, and i think he did ).
Now, he also believes strongly in jeep's innocence... therefore.. you're the only one left...

Should i vote for you.. ?
mod: please let us know when the deadline is.. thank you.



:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:37:55 am
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I just find it odd that Jeep didn't see 007 last night.

And what proof do we have of your innocence?

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Nevermind, I've got it.

Is this some cruel joke on the part of radwulf? I'm innocent, looking at three other innocents. Unless Jeep and 007 are working together :(

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well, guys its simple now....since 3 of us wanna go for nolynch today...i have a interesting ideea:
lets vote JOESATRI today...if its true what he says about his role we are indeed gonna have a nolynch day cause he's gonna save himself...if not we killed THE MAFIA SCUM! got it! pretty cool, huh?...it can't hurt him if he's telling the truth, and we gonna find out for sure he's one of ours...

i just hope we are not going to have any more surprises from our mod...i don't know...mafia guy that can't be lynched or something...it would be too much....
so, dudes lets go for it:

vote: JOESATRI

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Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:38:39 am
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Ok, if this is the plan, let's go for it.
Neo and jeep, vote for me too so that there will be a majority.
This way, the day will end as soon as you guys vote, and you shall see that i am NOT a mafia scum..

i have another theory though..
what if.. 007 is NOT the doctor, what if he's a mafia, and he knew that he was the only mafia left, and, he didn't send the target, pretending he's a doc and saved others.

this has just occured to me..
007, if you're a doc indeed, this night is crucial for this game.. think twice before protecting somebody.



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Joesatri, you are indeed sure you can save yourself? Is this a one time ability? If it is it seems like a waste, but to confirm an innocent this late in the game, I guess it'll have to do.

vote Joesatri

I've also pondered the idea of 007 not being the doc, but as he said, if he isn't, who is? Besides, why not just kill at night and be done with it?

Edited by: 007 at: 8/14/02 5:39:15 am
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vote: Joesatri

Definitely a solid alternative to No Lynch.

-JEEP

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k, the day is closed...i guess we are gonna wait for radwulf to come back...and then we are gonna go on...

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I just realized the possibility that joesatri is a mafia lawyer or something similiar!

I've seen games with Mafia Lawyer's.....Usually, and I stress the usually, they have the ability to buy, or force people to vote a certain number of times during the day, with the consequence of death if the person fails to comply, and/or the ability to prevent a lynch.

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hmm...interesting , neo...that was my fear...let's hope he's not...what can i say?...for now i'm waiting to see the results of this day and the night to come...

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Any idea when radwulf is returning???

-JEEP

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The townies are about to lynch Joesatri II when he produces documentation that proves he is a high government official and that they really ought not to lynch him. They return to their homes hoping things will make more sense the next day.

Nobody was lynched! It is now night, please send your targets.

I appologize for my absence, but I had absolutely no way of getting internet access this past week.

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- We should have killed you long, long time ago Mr. 007.
- I cannot be killed, fool! replies 007.
- Oh yeah? Heal this!
Once more the scythe is swung, and another important townsperson is decapitated.


007 (doctor) has been killed! 2 votes are required for lynching. This day will be open as long as it's needed to get a majority (within reason).

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Ok.. i really DO think the townies will win this one.
Took me a little while.. but here is what i came up with.

During all the game, Neo and Wonko the Sane have played 'together'.
jeep, if you go through the first 200 posts, you will also realize this...
and also realize how both of them voted for you.. or FOSed you.. (not only you.. )

Wonko the Sane was EVIL, he killed Napoleon (remember the slogan: "LONG LIVE GREATER ROMANIA" ? - post 151)
Wonko dies in 199, (same slogan found.. )

so.. jeep... if you go careful through the thread.. you will realize that wonko and Neo are related somehow.. anyway.. that NEO is the mafia scum...(i'm like.. 99.9(9) % sure that Neo is the mafia.)

so i will vote Neo ...

i'm waiting for your response jeep..

joesatri


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Edited by: radwulf at: 8/23/02 10:08:26 pm
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joesatri, your latest post makes me suspect you... but I'll ignore it for now...

We have the following possiblities:
1) Joesatri is mafia and didn't target anyone on the night 007 targetted him. Unlynchable mafia is pretty powerful, though.
2) Neo is mafia

I have discovered that I am the world's worst PI... I've watched the wrong people way too much. Much of that is because I didn't stay interested in the game because of the long dry periods. Or maybe I'm just much better at determining who should die than the mafia is because I was always investigating the person who was killed the next day... *shrug* either way I wasn't good at my job.

I don't think Neo and Wonko were really working together and I think that Wonko was a good guy, but I will still vote for Neo after he has his say unless he can somehow convince me he's not mafia.

-JEEP

Edited by: radwulf at: 8/23/02 10:08:50 pm
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My apologies for being away. (American) Football practice started monday, and school on wednesday, so I have next to no time on the computer this week.

I also apologize for holding back part of my role. I did it to protect myself and the town and to buy time. As we know, the Priest, the dearly departed Beoneknight, had an investigative ability. Well, I didn't know that at the time, just who the Priest was.

After his death, I was informed that I would have one opportunity to search the church records and look at family histories and church attendance to deduce a person's guilt or innocence.

It seems that my suspicion of Joesatri being the Mafia Lawyer was correct. I checked him last night, and found out he has "shady dealings with the more 'unsavory' characters that have been plaguing the town."

It becomes clear now. Joe uses his (hopefully) one time ability to save himself and "prove" his innocence, takes a chance and targets the doc, then votes for one of the remaining people, being out of suspicion himself.

So Jeep, let us end this now and vote Joesatri, confirmed mafia scum

joesatri
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Jeep, it's up to you.

Wonko could have been a good boy, but that means he was insane or something..
Wonko killed Napoleon :
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The townies wake up and realize their number has shrieked again. They find Napoleon dead in his house, with a gruesome bullet wound on his forehead. On the wall, written in what appears to be the victim's blood, they find this slogan: "long live Greater Romania!"

Napoleon (townie) has been killed! It is now day, discuss and vote! 3 votes or plurality at deadline are necessary for lynching.




and when Wonko died..

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When Wonko realizes all is lost for him, he pulls out a rifle he had somehow managed to keep hidden in his trench coat, and aims it at 007. 007 dodges the shot, and then grabs the weapon, while Jeep sneaks behind Wonko and trips him. Savage kicks and punches are unleashed upon the fallen Wonko, until he is no longer able to put up any resistance. Then the townies drag him to the Hanged Forrest.
- May your sins haunt you forever scumbags! Long live Greater Romania! cries Wonko just before the chair is kicked from beneath him.

At Wonko's house, the townies find some proof of illegal activity. It turns out Wonko had been forcibly conscripted in the Austro-Hungarian army. When his unit had been moved from the Russian front to the Romanian one, Wonko deserted, preferring to risk a desertor's death rather than fight against his conationals. A cruel fate has caught up with him, as he is hanged not by the army he deserted, but by fellow compatriots in the remote mountain village where he sought refuge.

Wonko the Sane (army deserter) has been lynched! It is now night! Please send in your targets, no later than Friday, 11:59pm GMT -6



"Long Live Greater Romania" - they found the slogan written with Napoleon's blood on the wall..
these were also wonko's last words.

in post 197, 007 says:
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Just think about it for a little bit. Neo, if you're not voting for Wonko the Sane, then you're mafia, and i'll vote you or Wonko tomorrow, as i won't die, because i can save myself.



Neo never voted for Wonko..

In 162, Wonko voted jeep and FOSed 007..
in 194, wonko unvotes jeep, votes 007 and FOSes me...

007's post, 201 is VERY important.
The mafia DID send the choice (the day started earlier), and i was away.
That leaves Neo as the CLEAR MAFIA SCUM

Confirm vote NEO

Jeep.. this should really be it..
think about it.. it's up to you..

joesatri


:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

Neo
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Joesatri, I commend you for your effort, but alas, you've tripped up.

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May your sins haunt you forever scumbags! Long live Greater Romania! cries Wonko just before the chair is kicked from beneath him.


Sins and scumbags? Sounds like he was yelling at the mafia, not the town.

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forcibly conscripted in the Austro-Hungarian army. When his unit had been moved from the Russian front to the Romanian one, Wonko deserted, preferring to risk a desertor's death rather than fight against his conationals


Hmm, he deserts to keep from fighting fellow countrymen. Still not sounding mafia-ish.

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as he is hanged not by the army he deserted, but by fellow compatriots in the remote mountain village where he sought refuge.


Compatriots sounds like his townie friends.

Now, if your referring to me not voting Wonko after he claimed vigilante, it's because I believed him, and it turns out I was right.

007's Post 195:
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see i can't be just neo, its either u wonko OR both of u guys!...if it was just him he would have voted for u that time when he had the chance to kill u...he had the last vote! but he didnt...why? either he was not sure about u being a scum( he didnt want to kill an innocent man)...and in this case he's clearly INNOCENT or he's a mafia scum in the same team u are and he didn't wanna kill he's mate!


Since wonko turned out innocent, turned out innocent, it would appear that 007's post 197 was incorrect, but his reasoning above is.

My investigation also appears to have been right, as your putting forth a very desperate effort to defend yourself, slandering a known (dead) innocent. As for you being "absent," well, in games I've played and modded in, it's not uncommon for a player to announce an absence, then send a list of choices to the mod

All of this is really quite pointless, I investigated you, got you guilty. Jeep may or may not be able to confirm this, I assume he watched you, but I'm unsure if he would have been informed of any activity, since he watched himself and did not see 007 protecting him, and since, according to the later details of my role, I did my investigating at the church.

YOU joesatri, are clearly the mafia scum. Die scum die!

jeep
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236, I think, but Radwulf can edit this if I'm wrong
vote: Neo

I watched Joesatri's house last night and saw no one. Until just now, I was a fan of only revealing as much of your role as needed to stop a lynch, but now I see how it can easily be used by the mafia as a tactic too.

If you hadn't told me you investigated Joesatri, I might have believed you. And 007 never protected me on a night I watched my own house, as far as I know. I missed him by one night.

So this game is over... radulf, did I coose wisely?

-JEEP

Neo
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A misunderstanding on my part, i missed your post where you explained what you meant :(

*shrugs* I did check out joe, not that you'll listen to me now. Good game for the mafia.

radwulf
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Re: Mafia 6 - Welcome to Transylvania! (ENGLISH only)
Neo's desperate last plea falls on deaf ears. The governor and the private investigator grab the altar boy, and off they go to throw him from the church tower. After Neo plunges to his death, they search his dead body, and to their dismay, all they find is a Bible and a song book. Eyeing one another very suspiciously, Joesatri and Jeep then go to Neo's house. There they find a collection of scythes, sharpening knives, and Dr Van Helsing's business card. Finally, all the innocent deaths have been avenged.

- the end -

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jeep
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Radulf, are you going to post details about peoples roles, etc?

Like, was Wonko indeed a good guy? What powers did everyone have, etc?

-JEEP

Diplomat A
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Whoa. I have to say this game was very much in favor of the town. I didn't follow it very closely after I died. But looking at the death log, it's obvious the town made a lot of mistakes throughout the game, and still managed to win! You lynched like 4 innocent people. In addition, I was a good guy! A vampire basically meant mason. I could attack one person each night and I had some chance of them joining my mason group. I don't really know what conditions that chance depended on. I didn't get to figure it out. I also have to say that I got lynched for very stupid reasons. If I would have said the things I said in GL, I would have never looked so suspicious to everyone. I guess I'll have to adjust my playing style when playing here.

Neo
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End Game
I might have pulled it off had I not off-ed mudster.

And IMHO, self-healing doctors should be taboo, that just makes it entirely too hard on the mafia. The role is just too powerful.

radwulf
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007 could not save himself (although I think for some reason he was under the impression that he could).

Beoneknight was supposed to investigate in search of vampires; he was told they were evil.

Diplomat was a one man mason lodge; if he targeted plain townies, these would have become vampires (masons).

Wonko the Sane was your vigilante; unfortunately for him, he didn't announce whom he was going to kill.

I was somewhat suprised Neo missed Mudster's clues that he was the mafia instigator. After that, Neo pulled off a very good performance (even though he missed a lot of night kills), survived a lot of innocent lynchings, and had a great fake role claim at the end, IMO.

007 was unbelievable as a doc; I think he saved 5 out of 8 murder attempts (one of which had been directed at the mafia instigator, and the other at himself), which is by far the most impressive record I have ever seen in a mafia game.

I will answer any questions you have regarding roles etc.

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Let me correct that about 007, he thought he could survive one mafia attack (as in ro mafia 2). Another mistake of his was that he forgot that he saved wonko the sane during night 3--that would have shortened the game by a couple of weeks I think.

However, the "best player of the game" moderator's award goes to 007, for being one of the best docs in the history of internet mafia, for being the first to be convinced of jesternl's (the godfather) guilt, and for his generally sound playing. You may check the award list here: ;) pub40.ezboard.com/fromani...D=13.topic

PS: a special thank you goes to all the non-romanian speakers that played in this game, for putting up with a mafia site designed for speakers of another language. I'm sorry for those of you that were used to faster-paced games, I hope you still had a good time playing.

You are all invited to play in the next game we'll have in English pretty soon (which I hope Diplomat will moderate).

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Edited by: radwulf at: 8/25/02 7:21:13 am
Neo
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I'd be willing to play another game.

And yes, I was getting incredibly frustrated coming toward the end, I'd send a kill and 007 would block it. I even used a Random Number Generator to choose the kill, and he still blocked it.

Wonko the Sane
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Wow, what an ending. Right until the end I was absolutely convinced Neo was a townie....after all he saved my life. He could have very easily voted for me without attracting attention, because I already had 3 or 4 votes.
In retrospect, this was a brilliant play on his part -- he gained me as an ally (ie. he convinced me he was innocent) and ultimately did not lose the chance to kill a townie (the chance to lynch me) because I ended up killing Napoleon (he probably knew that I would demonstrate my role by killing someone and that I had a very good chance of killing a townie, as in fact happened).
So although I have no authority to do such a thing, and in fact I don't even know for certain that Neo was thinking all that I've mentioned as he executed his play, I present him the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Award for the Best Play of the Game.
I would also like to thank you all for a great game. It was my first. Sorry if my newbie nature made the game unnecessarily confusing. I'd love to play with you guys again.

Cheers,
Jacek

radwulf
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Re: Mafia 6 - Welcome to Transylvania! (ENGLISH only)
I agree with Wonko, I was impressed with the way Neo played the game after Mudster's death--he survived a lot more than I expected. We only give the award of best-player to someone from the winning side; however, you are welcome to bestow any awards you'd like on anyone and Neo's fight against the odds certainly deserves one.

As for the game being unbalanced, I disagree: chance may always play a great role in a small game with many powerful roles. However, don't forget that the mafia was made up of 25% of the players, had one godfather who was immune to night investigations, and could buy the vote of a player twice in the game (and could kill that player if he failed to comply--this actually happened to mole, the cop); also, keep in mind that the vampire(s) could have easily been mistaken for bad guys. Had Neo not missed Mudster's clues, I think the town would have probably lost--but such mistakes are a part of the game, that's why modding is not a science; it is hard to create a perfectly balanced game.

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Edited by: radwulf at: 8/26/02 8:11:50 pm
jeep
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The game felt pretty well balanced to me. Good game, except for the pace. A mini-game should go a lot quicker than this one did.

-JEEP

Neo
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I only thought it was unbalanced because I was under the impression that 007 could self heal. Sorry :P

As for the pace, it became more my fault towards the end. I tried to hold off on some of my choices as long as I could, and just prolong the inevitable.

I did not, however, mean for that last night to drag on four days :P

joesatri
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no subject :)
Good game guys..

Even though ... i was away for quite a long time (3 weeks) in which i posted only once, i'm glad i remained in the game...
My 1st death was due to the fact that i'm a newb...
I only played in this and Mafia 7, and i died in both....
So.. playin' this was fun.

Ok... i'll be waitin' for the next €nglish mafia. (downtown London.. ?? :) )

joesatri


:.:.: [delirious] :.:.: the power always comes from above :.:.:

007
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yeah...sweet :)
that's right i couldn't save myself although i said that i could but that was part of my game ...i said that hoping that mafia is gonna buy it ... and it still looks like for me that neo belived me...but...something doesn't match: neo, if u really thought i could save myself why did bother to try to kill me? why did u atack me that night?

anyways, i'm very happy we won! i think it was a pretty balanced game...although the "evil party" was pretty strong...but i guess it turned out good for us, townies in the end !
nice game, dudes!

ps: I REALLY THINK, OVER ALL, NEO HAD A SUPERB PERFORMANCE IN THIS GAME! THE THING WITH NOT VOTING THAT TIME FOR WONKO, WHEN U HAD THE CHANCE TO LINCH HIM WAS VERY CLEVER OF U, NEO! VERY SLY!

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radwulf
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Re: Mafia 6 - Welcome to Transylvania! (ENGLISH only)
The next game in English (mafia 10) will be modded by whoever is the first to open up a sign-up thread (provided that person has some modding experience, or at least, has played several games). If nobody volunteers, I'll mod it myself, although I'd prefer to play.

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Neo
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Re: yeah...sweet :)
I could mod one here if thats okay, but probably not for another few weeks while I settle into the school routine.

As for my play with Wonko, I learned from the best at www.mafiascum.net and www.greylabyrinth.com.

007, I believed you because I'd attacked you once toward the end, and you survived. I gambled on the final night, hoping you'd protect joesatri.

radwulf
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Re: Mafia 6 - Welcome to Transylvania! (ENGLISH only)
Neo, we need to start a game right away, so I'll mod it; it's still not too late for someone to take it over from me. And Neo, you are welcome to mod a game here whenever you want, as long as there is a demand for it. So I'm thinking 2, 3 weeks from now sounds like a good time for you to run a game here.

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