Mafia 1 - The CROWN - GAME OVER!

[Emilly]

@Clemens it's interesting why @Gridfon found the virus in the air in your room, and when I investigated you, you came out clean. Very strange.
If I investigate Godfather, will he come out clean?

[Clemens]

If I investigate Godfather, will he come out clean?

Probably, that's how it usually goes.

[Sander]

If I investigate Godfather, will he come out clean?

Probably, that's how it usually goes.

Didn't you argue with me about that.

[Clemens]

I asked Daemon too...swab technique (from the throat/nose). It is a very unpleasant method.

Leaving aside the same problem I had with @Gridfon's claim, that it sounds like I would not sleep through that.

This is a bigger problem I currently have:

My NTA involves being able to hang around somebody's door at night to see if anything of interest is going on.
On the first night I checked radwulf. He didn't get visited by anyone.

Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.
N1 Radwulf - not infected

[Clemens]

unvote Telvek

[phox]

I asked Daemon too...swab technique (from the throat/nose). It is a very unpleasant method.

Leaving aside the same problem I had with @Gridfon's claim, that it sounds like I would not sleep through that.

This is a bigger problem I currently have:

My NTA involves being able to hang around somebody's door at night to see if anything of interest is going on.
On the first night I checked radwulf. He didn't get visited by anyone.

Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.
N1 Radwulf - not infected

@Emilly does not strike me as the liar type, she is short and simple and not big on words, also what emily said is something a bit too weird to be invented, the not infected vs not infected with corona thing. The checking of radwulf's room however, that is something easily inventable. OR some NTAs are just hidden and only some ppl can see them...not sure about that one

[phox]

In addition to this, we already have a full disclosure of emily's role, noni's however we don't know the name of it... some kind of lurker like @Princess.ruxi said.

[Clemens]

The checking of radwulf's room however, that is something easily inventable. OR some NTAs are just hidden and only some ppl can see them...not sure about that one

So you're more likely to believe that an observing NTA cannot observe correctly, than that Emilly or Noni lied?

[Emilly]

There are several explanations fot that, maybe nonni was blocked and didn't stay at anyone's door, or she messed up the nights and the targets, or she lied.
My first target was surely Radwulf.

[Princess.ruxi]

I asked Daemon too...swab technique (from the throat/nose). It is a very unpleasant method.

Leaving aside the same problem I had with @Gridfon's claim, that it sounds like I would not sleep through that.

This is a bigger problem I currently have:

My NTA involves being able to hang around somebody's door at night to see if anything of interest is going on.
On the first night I checked radwulf. He didn't get visited by anyone.

Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.
N1 Radwulf - not infected

Oh, wow. This is BIG!!!

[phox]

The checking of radwulf's room however, that is something easily inventable. OR some NTAs are just hidden and only some ppl can see them...not sure about that one

So you're more likely to believe that an observing NTA cannot observe correctly, than that Emilly or Noni lied?

No clemens. I was saying it a sarcastic way, something along the lines of "oh really? I'm not so sure about that one"

[valli]

I promised you all information I have, in case something happens to me at night.

Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.
N1 Radwulf - not infected
N2 Escaped Convict - not infected with Corona Virus
N3 Clemens - not infected

This is exactly how I received the information and I found the answer about EC strange. This is why I insist that we do not kill Mary until I investigate her.

I find it strange that EC received information from Daemon about another player who is a mafia. If Mary is a mafia, we got rid of one. But if the EC is in any way "drugged" and we kill two villagers, we have serious problems. I don't know what could happen at night and why not wait until morning?

Wow, that role declaration takes me by SURPRISE. Nobody pushed you for it lately (besides me, but I thought we had settled that) ... I wonder why you did that now at that point in time... and now the contradiction with Noni ... wtf?

[phox]

Regardless, what I wanted to say is that I believe @Emilly .

[Clemens]

maybe nonni was blocked and didn't stay at anyone's door

I am certain she would know if that happened.

she messed up the nights and the targets

She re-confirmed many times in many posts what her targets were, over multiple days.

she lied.

Interesting, how someone that directly contradicts your own NTA is not first labeled as a liar by yourself.

@phox
Alright, sarcasm is impossible to read in that.

[phox]

I promised you all information I have, in case something happens to me at night.

Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.
N1 Radwulf - not infected
N2 Escaped Convict - not infected with Corona Virus
N3 Clemens - not infected

This is exactly how I received the information and I found the answer about EC strange. This is why I insist that we do not kill Mary until I investigate her.

I find it strange that EC received information from Daemon about another player who is a mafia. If Mary is a mafia, we got rid of one. But if the EC is in any way "drugged" and we kill two villagers, we have serious problems. I don't know what could happen at night and why not wait until morning?

Wow, that role declaration takes me by SURPRISE. Nobody pushed you for it lately (besides me, but I thought we had settled that) ... I wonder why you did that now at that point in time... and now the contradiction with Noni ... wtf?

she did it now cause EC is suspicious and he is so hellbent on getting us to vote for @Mary

[valli]

I have the strong feeling that Emily is not telling the truth at all ...

For now unvoting Telvek and observing what will happen within the next couple of hours.
unvote Telvek

[phox]

@phox
Alright, sarcasm is impossible to read in that.

what can I say @Clemens , unlike you , I am not that good at wording.

[Emilly]

I said yesterday I will tell you today everything i know...if something happends to me tonight. I dont know was Noni said, I know what I do.

And my role ist Expert virologist

[Clemens]

I dont know was Noni said, I know what I do.

So, you're fine with this contradiction then?

[behemoth]

This is a bigger problem I currently have:

My NTA involves being able to hang around somebody's door at night to see if anything of interest is going on.
On the first night I checked radwulf. He didn't get visited by anyone.

Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.
N1 Radwulf - not infected

@Noni we are eager to hear what you might have to say on this - i.e., full role disclosure, etc.

[valli]

@Noni is there a chance that you mixed up something?

[phox]

I dont know was Noni said, I know what I do.

So, you're fine with this contradiction then?

clemens thanks for confirming my thoughts once again, you scum. stop going against emily when clearly she is on our side and telling the truth.

[Clemens]

clemens thanks for confirming my thoughts once again, you scum. stop going against emily when clearly she is on our side and telling the truth.

So you think Noni lied then?

[Emilly]

No, I think we have to wait until noni comes.

[behemoth]

I have the strong feeling that Emily is not telling the truth at all ...

For now unvoting Telvek and observing what will happen within the next couple of hours.
unvote Telvek

Yea, you would have that feeling if you and Noni are both mafia

[behemoth]

I have the strong feeling that Emily is not telling the truth at all ...

Yea, you would have that feeling if you and Noni are both mafia

[Princess.ruxi]

I have the strong feeling that Emily is not telling the truth at all ...

For now unvoting Telvek and observing what will happen within the next couple of hours.
unvote Telvek

Yea, you would have that feeling if you and Noni are both mafia

Well if you believe Emilly, then you believe Clemens is clean

[Clemens]

No, I think we have to wait until noni comes.

And you base that confidence in her on what exactly?

[EscapedConvict]

So based on @Emilly 's info we have more reason to vote for myself/@Mary now.

It should be obvious to everyone that the twins cannot be both town.
It would be too imbalanced for both twins to die at the same time being on the same side.
The town would have too much to loose at once.
Having one of them play for one side a the other for the other side makes the a lot of sense.

I am the townie twin & @Mary is the mafia twin.
(again. confirmed to me by Daemon via email)

Unvote Telvek
Vote EscapedConvict

If the majority decides to vote @Mary instead, after @Emilly 's info I can switch my vote.
I will be watching closely these last few hours until the day ends.

[Princess.ruxi]

updated vote pattern and count up to post #1775

Princess.ruxi – 1542 – vote siderite – 1709 – unvote siderite

Valli – 1543 – vote siderite – 1704 – unvote siderite – vote telvek – 1766 – unvote telvek

Behemoth - 1545 – vote siderite – 1699 – unvote siderite – vote telvek

EC – 1548 – vote siderite – 1579 – unvote siderite – 1623 – vote siderite – 1692 – unvote siderite – vote telvek

Emilly – 1549 – vote siderite

Phox – 1555 – vote siderite – 1647 – unvote siderite – vote telvek

Noni – 1564 – vote siderite -1690 – unvote siderite – vote telvek

Heffie – 1583 – vote siderite – 1687 – unvote siderite – vote telvek

Siderite – 1620 – vote noni

Clemens – 1697 – vote telvek – 1755 – unvote telvek

Zero – 1712 – vote Nanaa


Vote count
#Votes | Voted Person | Voters
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5 for Telvek - Phox, Heffie, Noni, EC, Behemoth
1 for Siderite - Emilly
1 for Noni - Siderite
1 for Nanaa - Zero

[Princess.ruxi]

So based on @Emilly 's info we have more reason to vote for myself/@Mary now.

It should be obvious to everyone that the twins cannot be both town.
It would be too imbalanced for both twins to die at the same time being on thee same side.
The town would have too much to loose at once.
Having one of them play for one side a the other for the other side makes the a lot of sense.

I am the townie twin & @Mary is the mafia twin.
(again. confirmed to me by Daemon via email)

Unvote Telvek
Vote EscapedConvict

If the majority decides to vote @Mary instead, after @Emilly 's info I can switch my vote.
I will be watching closely theseblaat few hours until the day ends.

Maybe unvote first? So that your vote counts?

[Clemens]

So based on @Emilly 's info we have more reason to vote for myself/@Mary now.

I'd like to keep you around just a little longer.
But I agree that this has made the entire situation a lot more fishy concerning you twins.

[phox]

what I think is that you are the Godfather of the mafia, that's what I think. Emily investegated you and you were "not infected". Gridfon investigated you and you had traces of the virus in your room . How do you explain this?

My top mafia picks:

1.Telvek
2. Mary
3. Waffles (always acting like goody two shoes)
4. Somebody who is sneaky and bringing forth a lot of good points to blend in with the townies, otherwise it would be too easy.

Conspiracy faction: siderite nanna blissie ?

and also suspicious but no idea what he is maybe mafia: Bombaclaat (????)

I'll give you a hand.

4. @Clemens ....

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Yep those were my thoughts exactly but I was too scared to call him out because I thought he might retalliate , and we've all seen how good @Clemens is at debating people, he either goes super analytical and makes you get lost in all his details, for example the meta-gaming thing he was blabing about, also he is articulate and confident sometimes even agressive but in a subtle way. To me it seems like a "too good to be true kinda situation" , Clemens the ultimate townie that always saves us with his "facts and logic", he always empathically begs us to wait and discuss more before we lynch dead weight players, and when time is not on our side. On top of that , guess what ? HE'S ALSO IMMUNE to any virus in the book. Pfoa! surey. @Clemens clemens , clemens, too bad it's already so late in the day. Does this not sound like the perfect play style of a Godfather? He tries to look as helpful as possible, the ultimate townie , to not raise suspicions.

[EscapedConvict]

@Princess.ruxi was right, I forgot to first unvote and I edited my post while she was replying. Should be good now.

[Princess.ruxi]

I promised you all information I have, in case something happens to me at night.

Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.
N1 Radwulf - not infected
N2 Escaped Convict - not infected with Corona Virus
N3 Clemens - not infected

This is exactly how I received the information and I found the answer about EC strange. This is why I insist that we do not kill Mary until I investigate her.

I find it strange that EC received information from Daemon about another player who is a mafia. If Mary is a mafia, we got rid of one. But if the EC is in any way "drugged" and we kill two villagers, we have serious problems. I don't know what could happen at night and why not wait until morning?

Maybe we are reading too much into it? I mean just because it specifies WITH CORONA VIRUS you think there is something out there?

[Emilly]

what I think is that you are the Godfather of the mafia, that's what I think. Emily investegated you and you were "not infected". Gridfon investigated you and you had traces of the virus in your room . How do you explain this?

My top mafia picks:

1.Telvek
2. Mary
3. Waffles (always acting like goody two shoes)
4. Somebody who is sneaky and bringing forth a lot of good points to blend in with the townies, otherwise it would be too easy.

Conspiracy faction: siderite nanna blissie ?

and also suspicious but no idea what he is maybe mafia: Bombaclaat (????)

I'll give you a hand.

4. @Clemens ....

Yep those were my thoughts exactly but I was too scared to call him out because I thought he might retalliate , and we've all seen how good @Clemens is at debating people, he either goes super analytical and makes you get lost in all his details, for example the meta-gaming thing he was blabing about, also he is articulate and confident sometimes even agressive but in a subtle way. To me it seems like a "too good to be true kinda situation" , Clemens the ultimate townie that always saves us with his "facts and logic", he always empathically begs us to wait and discuss more before we lynch dead weight players, and when time is not on our side. On top of that , guess what ? HE'S ALSO IMMUNE to any virus in the book. Pfoa! surey. @Clemens clemens , clemens, too bad it's already so late in the day. Does this not sound like the perfect play style of a Godfather? He tries to look as helpful as possible, the ultimate townie , to not raise suspicions.

I agree. This virus in the air is suspicios for me too.

[behemoth]

Unvote Telvek

I will be at work and probably won't be able to come back until close to 20:00 GMT to cast my final vote. I hate to not be able to participate in the Noni debacle, and so I will point this out again - Noni was one of the main instigators of the Radwulf lynch, but she did it in a way that very much "blended in" as she puts it. I always thought that was very well played:)

I would have to go back and analyze her entire voting pattern to see what role she may have played in the Moxy and Trig lynches, but to me Emilly's role claim is probably the most believable up to this point in the game.

[Clemens]

what I think is that you are the Godfather of the mafia, that's what I think. Emily investegated you and you were "not infected". Gridfon investigated you and you had traces of the virus in your room . How do you explain this?

I already did in my role claim. You can accuse me of having thought this far ahead, if you wish.
But there is little difference between "telling the truth" and "perfectly planned".

Yep those were my thoughts exactly but I was too scared to call him out because I thought he might retalliate , and we've all seen how good @Clemens is at debating people, he either goes super analytical and makes you get lost in all his details, for example the meta-gaming thing he was blabing about, also he is articulate and confident sometimes even agressive but in a subtle way. To me it seems like a "too good to be true kinda situation" , Clemens the ultimate townie that always saves us with his "facts and logic", he always empathically begs us to wait and discuss more before we lynch dead weight players, and when time is not on our side. On top of that , guess what ?

I always play like this, though.
And even outside of the game, you've just described me.

[Princess.ruxi]

Unvote Telvek

I will be at work and probably won't be able to come back until close to 20:00 GMT to cast my final vote. I hate to not be able to participate in the Noni debacle, and so I will point this out again - Noni was one of the main instigators of the Radwulf lynch, but she did it in a way that very much "blended in" as she puts it. I always thought that was very well played:)

I would have to go back and analyze her entire voting pattern to see what role she may have played in the Moxy and Trig lynches, but to me Emilly's role claim is probably the most believable up to this point in the game.

I've said it twice so far. I like Noni, but lurker is always mafia affiliated. Plus the way she played, semi-helpful, semi-aggressive, semi-sweet... just like a good mafia player.

[Emilly]

@Clemens you are Microbiology resercher with no NTA and completely immune? Or I missed something?

About @Noni i think she mixed the nights and the targets. But we will see.

[phox]

@Noni didn't mix up anything, she was just helping us kill another faction the mafia doesn't want surviving, the conspiracy one.

[Noni]

Guys I'm working and I can't post too much. I've been trying to stay in top of the posts here and there.

1. I have not managed to go through your posts yet @Clemens
2.let me clarify : I was not blocked on the first night, I did not make any mistakes with my targets. RADWULF WAS NOT VISITED BY ANYONE.

Can I just put out there Emily that if you had contradicting information to what I declared any my targets you should have called me out there and there telling everyone I'm lying. Which you did not?
I wonder why? Maybe because you are lying yourself?! Just didn't properly keep track of what everyone said and now you are saying I'm lying?

ON THAT NOTE :
unvote Telvek
vote Emilly congrats you just went to the top of my suspect list. Even above Mr waffles.

[Noni]

Unvote Telvek

I will be at work and probably won't be able to come back until close to 20:00 GMT to cast my final vote. I hate to not be able to participate in the Noni debacle, and so I will point this out again - Noni was one of the main instigators of the Radwulf lynch, but she did it in a way that very much "blended in" as she puts it. I always thought that was very well played:)

I would have to go back and analyze her entire voting pattern to see what role she may have played in the Moxy and Trig lynches, but to me Emilly's role claim is probably the most believable up to this point in the game.

I've said it twice so far. I like Noni, but lurker is always mafia affiliated. Plus the way she played, semi-helpful, semi-aggressive, semi-sweet... just like a good mafia player.

Princess that's my personality. Except the semi sweet part. I'm never sweet. Please, I have a reputation

[Clemens]

@Clemens you are Microbiology resercher with no NTA and completely immune? Or I missed something?

#1179 & #1207

[Clemens]

2.let me clarify : I was not blocked on the first night, I did not make any mistakes with my targets. RADWULF WAS NOT VISITED BY ANYONE.

vote Emilly

[Noni]

@Emilly if you give me any genuine reason for the contradiction I will consider removing my vote.
But the reason can't be that I'm lying because I am not.

[Nanaa]

ahahaha, this was a little trap To me it seems like whatever I try to invent to make you seem less guilty, you agree with it and pretend like I am alllllwaaays onto something @Nanaa I was also checking to see if anyone else other than Nanna agrees with me.

you didn't pass the test nana, but at least your team mates did.

A trap, how cute! I thought it was invitation to have some more fun

Tbh, I've lost hope long ago to get anyone believe me. I might as well have a fun for the rest of the game. Haven't laughed this much for a while. And that's really welcomed for me in these corona-ridden times.

Anyways, back to game, I'm still up for helping townies with voting power. I can double @Gridfon's or maybe even @phox' votes. Just give me a mention. But I understand if you see me as a risk.

[phox]

2.let me clarify : I was not blocked on the first night, I did not make any mistakes with my targets. RADWULF WAS NOT VISITED BY ANYONE.

vote Emilly

unvote Telvek , vote Clemens are you scared cause Emily called you out for being the Godfather?

[behemoth]

Yep those were my thoughts exactly but I was too scared to call him out because I thought he might retalliate , and we've all seen how good @Clemens is at debating people, he either goes super analytical and makes you get lost in all his details, for example the meta-gaming thing he was blabing about, also he is articulate and confident sometimes even agressive but in a subtle way. To me it seems like a "too good to be true kinda situation" , Clemens the ultimate townie that always saves us with his "facts and logic", he always empathically begs us to wait and discuss more before we lynch dead weight players, and when time is not on our side. On top of that , guess what ? HE'S ALSO IMMUNE to any virus in the book. Pfoa! surey. @Clemens clemens , clemens, too bad it's already so late in the day. Does this not sound like the perfect play style of a Godfather? He tries to look as helpful as possible, the ultimate townie , to not raise suspicions.

My role is fitness coach and my job is to physically train the Crown nerds. Because of my excellent shape and the extended workouts I continue to do in my room even during quarantine, I am immune to physical attacks. This makes me invulnerable to attacks from that faction which can kill by violent attacks. It makes sense that there would be an NTA that gives immunity to infection attacks, so unless anyone else claims such an NTA as his, I would lean towards believing Clemens for now, at least until I can go back and analyze his posts and claim in more detail.

So far Noni's style of play is even more that of the "ultimate townie" , extremely helpful and an overall very endearing style of play. So endearing that people didn't notice how she was a major instigator in the rad lynch. And then all she had to do was continue to provide helpful little insights while riding the wave of the town's new lynch candidates. She provided info about what might actually be a mafia NTA, which further helped establish her trustworthiness and credibility because it didn't stand out as immediately suspicious, though Princess did point out earlier that it's in line with the lurker type role.

[Emilly]

Ok @Noni, I understand now that you lied about your targets. I'm ready to vote myself first tomorrow morning if you're not a mafia.

unvote Siderite
vote Noni