Game of Mafia

Clemens

Emilly wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:56 am
Every night I can take samples from someone and analyze them to find out if they are infected with the virus.

How do you take samples anyway?
(Yes, similar question that I asked @Gridfon. I know, I'm a broken record.)

Clemens

Emilly wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:39 pm
And about the other two players it is written not infected and in his case is written not infected with corona virus.

Alright, I see your point.

Clemens

Princess.ruxi wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:14 pm
Oh, and Telvek is a no show just as expected!

Yes, and we're back to the problem that I keep wanting to avoid.
Gamble on lynching the inactive, give up (and thus wasted time), or keep wasting more time?

Clemens

Why are we exposing more roles? :? N2 Escaped Convict - not infected with Corona Virus [...] This is exactly how I received the information and I found the answer about EC strange. This is why I insist that we do not kill Mary until I investigate her. Can you elaborate what you mean by strange? EC s...

Clemens

Skuggi wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:44 am
I think it is much more likely that he lied about his original role.

I can believe that he used "Conspiracy Theorist" instead of his more specific role name in hopes of less suspicions.
"Flat-Earther" (and other specific ones) does sound horrible.

Clemens

Princess.ruxi wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:06 am
Waiting for @Telvek until around 11 GMT.
Then we deal with the EC/Mary thing. Must say if Mary is mafia then she played really really well.

It's just past 11 GMT now and it doesn't look like anything happened with Telvek (not for nor against) meanwhile

Clemens

Nanaa wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:08 am
Do you have an example where we used force vote in our favor?

Trigardon for example? He was lynched.
Joesatri, if he had survived the night, would be another example.

Clemens

Yes, I can confirm Blissie and me are same faction. [...] There may or may not be others like us. I don't to reveal them though. If someone claims to be one of us, I can point out if it's bullshit. That's why you keep me alive ;D :roll: I don't trust your faction, and I'm sticking to my theory unti...

Clemens

Sorry for the slow reply, my internet had a hiccup, so I was sitting here frantically hitting F5. On that note, Telvek before it happens again. 1. I agree somewhat with the food poisoning thing you said, it might be a theory, I thought abt it myself,BUT why the hammer only every other night and the ...

Clemens

Who do you wanna vote for Clemens ? To kill? Only feeling good about the EscapedConvict / Mary twins. Everyone else I am uncertain of as I have seen many players that have given me reason to doubt them, but not enough to lynch them definitely. Nanaa I would rather not kill due to my conspirator-the...

Clemens

Seeing as it's getting late, I can add a vote onto someone for the (real world Europe) night before I go to (real world) bed for those that are going to be around for longer.

Clemens

Considering that delayed-death is a weaker killing method than Mafia usually has (=death being instant), I would not be surprised if they had other NTAs to boost their balance. Such as...? Such as another killing method? Albeit with restrictions such as certain amount of nights inbetween (aka coold...

Clemens

Clemens - Most of the players you called out already provided some thoughts on the matter. Not sure if you're trying to stall things at this point, as people have shared what little they can surmise based on the limited information at hand. Sorting it in this flood of posts, making it easier to rea...

Clemens

Emilly wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:57 pm
3. conspiracy theorists who do not kill at night but voting. They will probably win if they stay alive. I think that @blissie and @Nanaa are part of this group.

But do you think they count as townies for Mafia's victory condition?
Mafia win if Mafia > Townies + Conspirators?

Clemens

Noni wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:52 pm
i think siderite has 8. am i wrong?
Valli, Noni, EscapedConvict, Heffie, Phox, Princess.ruxi, Behemoth, Emilly

Heffie wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:30 pm
vote:siderite

You're right. Someone else do the counting.

Too focused on theories to watch for votes.

Clemens

People that voted for blissie: Noni, EC, Mary, ruxi, phox, Clemens , Rene, behemoth, Emilly, zero, valli With what limited information we have, my ongoing theory would be: Maintenance is Mafia, they kill by infecting (1-day delayed death theory) and with tools (depending on which of them does it, a...

Clemens

phox wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:45 pm
and then he revoted again so I believe siderite has 7 now.

You're right, I missed that.

Clemens

Alright, let's try this a slightly different way. People that voted for blissie: Noni, EC, Mary, ruxi, phox, Clemens, Rene, behemoth, Emilly, zero, valli Let's see what each individual thinks about blissie's role and death clues. Because it's largely the same people that instantly jumped onto Sideri...

Clemens

Definitely not counter productive if the conspirators are their own faction that also want to win the game by getting rid of both the townies and the mafia. Only if the numbers are balanced accordingly, e.g. less Mafia and therefore an equally small conspirator faction. With neither side being coun...

Clemens

The one time he starts making some sense, Doesn't that mean that the Mafia, working together, is getting more and more powerful? The behavior is obvious: mob of people lynching everybody else. I have nothing more to say. and it's a suicide-esque post. :x Also, this game is using a lot of time I don'...

Clemens

Regardless, 3rd factions generally count as townies when it comes down to the numbers, right? Sort of, that's my concern and why figuring this out is important. (The exact count and balance is only known by the mod.) Lynching all the conspirators would then be counter-productive while Mafia are sti...

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valli wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:01 pm
I would say it is not the most typical tool a gardener is using and usually the roles are stereotypes and I think the more important part of that role name is the "Infected" ...

But which Mafia player would admit to having "Infected" in their role name?

Clemens

phox wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:55 pm
Makes no sense to me @Clemens , anybody can have tools depending on the domain they work in, Gardeners don't have hammers, do they?

No, but they have other tools - garden maintenance tools, for example.

Clemens

EscapedConvict wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:44 pm
So to me maintenance=evil (otherwise they would be very irresponsible for not hanging on to their tools and letting other people use them for nefarious things)

That would fit with the Infected Gardner role as well then.
But then do they have two methods of killing?

Clemens

A hammer much like the ones used by maintenance personnel, the obvious murder weapon, was abandoned not two feet away from his spilled brains. So I'd say a hammer is very violent, overly so. Very different to the silently-slowly-killing infection, presumed from Mafia. One thing we may have overlook...

Clemens

I doubt Siderite will offer anything of value, but the count has risen too quickly too soon.
I am just asking that we spend some actual thought and discussion on this third party (and the related death clues so far), before we reduce our numbers some more.

Clemens

Noni wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:08 pm
There is no way flat earthers are pro town.

Then elaborate a little more, give us some substance.

Clemens

For example, this. “Science is not for everyone. There’s the Hollow Earth idiots and then there’s the rest of the world idiots that believe the Earth is round. We have what it takes to set things straight and free the world from the grasp of falsehood and rid the world of the places of peril that sp...

Clemens

Noni wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:01 pm
I'm thinking it's a small faction of psychos and he was the leader?

Perhaps, but what clues are there to suggest this?

Everyone is moving on awfully quick instead of taking a closer look at the death-clues - one of the few weapons that townies have available.

Clemens

Third party? Flat earther, conspiracy theorist etc. Maybe the ones killing using a hammer / knife? Maybe. But they seem rather harmless (if we take real world influence), which has me concerned that they are the Mason-group (and those are usually townies). The hammer perhaps, but the knife (from th...

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valli wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:51 pm
@Clemens flat Earther should've been a role for you

Could you imagine me, of all people, trying to defend that role?

Clemens

I would like to figure out these conspiracy theorists a little before lynching the next target.
These are some very strange roles to have.

Clemens

valli , I have no problem telling you my role ... after you 😉. Anyway, before nightfall, I'll tell you exactly what I know, if I die at night. Don't worry I have as well no problem declaring my role, once it is time for it :D We have given Mafia more than enough roles to study already. Why is every...

Clemens

I was referring to Sander's theory on delayed infection and to another player's (? can't remember) statement that Daemon leaves clues in his emails. His theory stated that I was actually targeted on night 2 and started to have symptoms on night 3, will be dead on night 4. If so, then Joe was infect...

Clemens

Flat-Earther?

That does not belong here at all.
So is it a third faction then?
We know of someone else with a conspiracy-based role.

Clemens

And Clemens, you've always been able to look past my personality. For some reason, now you can't. ;) I let out a big sigh when you admitted to lying about your role. This is so you, and doesn't help us figure things out at all. I'm just not certain if you were doing it for the fun of it (as you usu...

Clemens

I will share though that while I have no NTA, I seem to have immunity from night time attacks - something I hinted at very early in the game as a possible explanation of why there were no kills on N1. This sounds awfully familiar. :shock: Sander So you're saying that you were lying to protect yours...

Clemens

you crack me up. yeah Clemens why are you so obsessed with phox ? you wanna see what it's like on the other side of the obsession for a change?:))) :lol: Clemens shheeesh clemens why are you so obsessed with me and that deadline, are you gonna use it against me or smth in the future, in case I was ...

Clemens

And suddenly we're all in a rush to just kill off blissie.

So we're not waiting (a limited period of time) for a reaction?

Clemens

behemoth wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:58 pm
Phox / Clemens - I don't think the deadline will do much at this point. Blissie most likely won't come back with anything worth the wait

I won't disagree with that statement, but a deadline at least ensures we won't be waiting around forever and have a definite time set to move on.

Clemens

phox wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:49 pm
Fine I say deadline is in max 3 hours, does anyone agree? @Noni @EscapedConvict @behemoth @Princess.ruxi @Gridfon @zero ?

Alright, 3 hours from now - that should be 19 GMT?
But then avoid an insta-lynch until around then or the deadline was pointless all over again.

Clemens

phox wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:44 pm
and if he does not come up with a role? then what? haha joke is on us we didn't lynch anyone suspicious cause we waited around and were divided, just like last time....

Hence I wanted a deadline.

Clemens

Sander wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:35 pm
Why would you doubt it?

I don't, as there has been no reason to do so.
But the game itself relies heavily on doubting one another's statements.

Clemens

@Gridfon, what do you think about all of this?

Clemens

Without a deadline, we're just going to be waiting around for a reaction.

Clemens

@phox I'd still like an answer to your deadline.

Clemens wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:52 pm
@phox how long are you willing to wait for @blissie to react?

Clemens

Princess.ruxi wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:02 pm
@Sander did not vote today!!!

He claims to be poisoned and cannot vote today.
Since no one else claimed to have the same problem today, we haven't bothered doubting that statement.

Emilly wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:04 pm
Do we have a role declaration from @Clemens ?

For the most part, yes.

Clemens

EscapedConvict wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:57 pm
Also @Clemens unless I missed it you never answered me.

Sorry, which question?

Clemens

Noni wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:26 pm
i would also like to see these arguments i must admit i haven't focused on him today

Silent playstyle, bordering inactive, then showing up just to add a pointless vote onto ruxi, and contributing nothing at all.

Clemens

phox wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:19 pm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

I made this Excel, from now on each time you vote UPDATE THE EXCEL please, I added some of the votes already in

I'm not sure that we are allowed to do that, doesn't this count as "outside".

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